From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Sep 28 2008 - 18:39:13 ART
But guys on the serious note, the best way to understand the theory is to
prove it using the IOS, this can be done for Multicasting, Helper-map,
Sparse mode Dense mode, Bidirectional and etc etc etc.
It is NOT what you configure, it is how you *verify* and *TEST* it, once you
have done that, it kinda sinks in much better and that's when you
understand.
I am glad to see many vendors taking my approach, hey it works if its done
correctly.
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com>wrote:
> hehehehe
> *Honestly though, I think the conversation has degraded to the point
> about
> not being about individuals any longer. Other than Reza anyway, as he's
> the
> one who asked for advice!*
> I am sorry Scott, i still associate you with IPexpert, You should have
> mentioned that Anthony degraded the conversation. No one was picking on
> anyone till he started.
>
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Ronnie Angello <ronnie.angello@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> I know that you really wanted to hear from the instructors, and they
>> are all true experts, but let me suggest some stuff that I did in my
>> last month of prep. I have to recommend the Cisco Assessor labs, but
>> I wouldn't worry about working through any additional labs at this
>> point. Read through the Doc CD, or whatever we're using these days,
>> and build your own mini scenarios.
>>
>> Focus on the command references and understand each and every command.
>> With one week to go start to slow down a little bit and don't study
>> the day before your lab. It sounds like you have worked very hard and
>> you're almost ready, so just build up your confidence a bit and go and
>> get your number. Good luck.
>>
>> Ronnie
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Good advice - especially on working on your weakest links. I know I
>> tend to
>> > falter here and build on my stronger points. But working on the weaker
>> > sections and getting the give-me points can easily add up to 2-3 points
>> per
>> > "weak section".
>> >
>> > Now do the math:
>> >
>> > 3 Weak Section = 3 x 2|3 = 6-9 points.
>> >
>> > If you have more weak sections you can get the biggest rate of return in
>> > terms of points.
>> >
>> > And lots of people fail the exam by a mere 5-10 points.
>> >
>> >
>> > Remember strategy is important.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Yeah! How could you forget about me? :)
>> >>
>> >> Honestly though, I think the conversation has degraded to the point
>> about
>> >> not being about individuals any longer. Other than Reza anyway, as
>> he's
>> >> the
>> >> one who asked for advice!
>> >>
>> >> The best thing with any task is to break it down into stages.
>> Multicast is
>> >> not necessarily easy to configure, hence it's an area that causes
>> >> confusion.
>> >> That and it's not a "regular" topic in everyone's network design unlike
>> >> basic routing! :)
>> >>
>> >> But can you break things down into simple tasks or stags? Absolutely!
>> >>
>> >> Asking people on here is one good way.... Getting one on one mentoring
>> is
>> >> another way... (Which, by the way, I wouldn't view as a waste of time
>> at
>> >> all! But it may not be the "magic pill" either!) Going to a bootcamp,
>> >> where you can ask questions of an instructor sort-of-one-on-one would
>> be
>> >> another way.
>> >>
>> >> Oh yeah, almost forgot. OR, you can do it completely by yourself. The
>> >> reference books listed are good ones and contain the information, but
>> not
>> >> necessarily the best way to parse it. That's what takes practice! And
>> >> playing around, and making lots of notes, and perhaps messing things up
>> a
>> >> few times!
>> >>
>> >> But those are the things that will cause you to "never forget" the
>> >> information.
>> >>
>> >> No matter which vendor you do or do not go with, make sure that things
>> >> jive
>> >> with your way of thinking!
>> >>
>> >> For the Last-Month preparation, I would spend MOST of my time with the
>> >> topics you don't know well. Divide and Conquer. Break things up in
>> stages
>> >> that will at least gain SOME of the points! For example, topics like
>> >> multicast will most likely be two to three separate point sections.
>> You
>> >> can
>> >> make sure to get your basic points (two out of three?) by knowing the
>> >> basics
>> >> well. The more advanced part, you may look up. Or worst case, you may
>> not
>> >> get. But on the flip side, out of the (example) 8 points for multicast
>> in
>> >> the lab perhaps you can at least get 4-5 of them so that the overall
>> hit
>> >> isn't that bad!
>> >>
>> >> Don't get hung up on the quantity of details though. Create your own
>> >> hierarchical learning method of the topics.
>> >>
>> >> Overall, relax! Take whatever help you can! If it doesn't work, smile
>> and
>> >> move to the next method! :)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Scott Morris, CCIE4 #4713, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>> >> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
>> >> Senior CCIE Instructor
>> >>
>> >> smorris@internetworkexpert.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >> Knowledge is power.
>> >> Power corrupts.
>> >> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>> >>
>> >> PS. It's ok if you forget about me... I won't take it too personally!
>> :)
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of
>> >> Ramy
>> >> Sisy
>> >> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 8:11 PM
>> >> To: 'Narbik Kocharians'; asequeira@internetworkexpert.com
>> >> Cc: ramysisy@inspiredmaster.com; reza@toghraee.com;
>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> >> Subject: RE: Please advise, I have 1 month to LAB
>> >>
>> >> Common Narbik, please do not take it personally :)
>> >>
>> >> You forgot Scott Morris too, how could you forget him :)
>> >>
>> >> Hehehehe
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -Ramy
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of
>> >> Narbik Kocharians
>> >> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 4:32 PM
>> >> To: asequeira@internetworkexpert.com
>> >> Cc: ramysisy@inspiredmaster.com; reza@toghraee.com;
>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> >> Subject: Re: Please advise, I have 1 month to LAB
>> >>
>> >> Reza,
>> >>
>> >> The last thing you want to do is waist your time with one on one
>> .......,
>> >> let me know if you really want to understand the stuff and i will show
>> you
>> >> how its done, If you are going to do one on one and still use IE, i
>> would
>> >> go
>> >> with Brians or Petr.
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Anthony Sequeira <
>> >> asequeira@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Hi weak areas, and I quote, are "I know I have gaps in QOS,
>> Multicast"
>> >> >
>> >> > No need for concern Narbik, I will be working with him one on one
>> >> > until his lab date.
>> >> >
>> >> > Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251 Senior CCIE Instructor
>> >> >
>> >> > asequeira@internetworkexpert.com
>> >> >
>> >> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> >> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/> <
>> >> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>> >> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>> >> > Outside US: 775-826-4344
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: narbikk@gmail.com
>> >> > Sent: Fri, September 26, 2008 18:02
>> >> > Subject:Re: Please advise, I have 1 month to LAB
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Reza,
>> >> >
>> >> > What are your weak areas??????
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Ramy Sisy
>> >> > <ramysisy@inspiredmaster.com>wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > Hi Reza,
>> >> > > Here is the fact that you are afraid of and I am sure nobody else
>> >> > > will
>> >> > say
>> >> > > it to you "YOU will fail miserably", after you walk out of the exam
>> >> > > you will feel that you shoot yourself in the foot and the exam was
>> >> > > achievable.
>> >> You
>> >> > > will study for a month and come back to pass it in 4 hours.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > So why do you have to shoot yourself in the foot for the first
>> time.
>> >> > > More than 50% of the CCIE exam is how you handle your pressure/
>> stress.
>> >> > > Please look at your positive points. You know that if you will not
>> >> > > even touch QoS and Multicast, you will be able to pass because both
>> >> > > sections
>> >> > are
>> >> > > no more than 15 points in the exam.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I believe you do not need any bootcamps/extra material, and please
>> >> > > do
>> >> not
>> >> > > get me wrong, Narbik is a phenomenal Instructor and a very close
>> >> > > friend
>> >> > of
>> >> > > mine. All what you need is to relief your stress out and think
>> >> > positively.
>> >> > > - never mind about not working right now and think about how much
>> >> > > time
>> >> > you
>> >> > > can dedicate for your study. You can give between 300-400 hours in
>> >> > > the remaining month. Make use of your time and try to find people
>> >> > > are
>> >> willing
>> >> > > to
>> >> > > help like this group.
>> >> > > - never mind to impress your x manager, or GS members, or your x
>> >> > > colleagues at work... by passing from 1st attempt. Thinking to
>> >> > > impress others is
>> >> > just
>> >> > > adding more pressure however nobody will see you falling in your
>> 1st
>> >> > > attempt.
>> >> > > - never mind about your weak technologies because you still have
>> >> > > time
>> >> to
>> >> > > study everything from scratch BUT WITH CLEAR/UNSTRESSED MIND.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I developed a stress reliever formula and called it 80/20 CCIE
>> >> > Preparation
>> >> > > method.
>> >> > > http://inspiredk.com/2008/08/26/the-8020-ccie-preparation-method/
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Feel free to contact me if you have any inquires.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > BEST REGARDS,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > RAMY SISY | CCIE II (SECURITY, ROUTING/SWITCHING)#17321, CCSI#30417
>> >> > > CCIE PROGRAM MANAGER
>> >> > >
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>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>> Behalf
>> >> > > Of Reza Toghraee
>> >> > > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 11:26 AM
>> >> > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> >> > > Subject: Please advise, I have 1 month to LAB
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Hello
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I need all of you people who already done this way to advise me.
>> >> > > Especially
>> >> > > the great instructors in the group.
>> >> > > I have 1 month to the LAB, it's my first attempt. I already got a
>> >> > > leave from my job, so I have full 1 month to be prepared.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I have too much stress!
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Since 2 months ago, I increased my study times, to around 6 to 8
>> >> > > hours per day.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I reviewed all the IE COD as my second time, I wrote all the tips,
>> >> > > and I try to read them randomly.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I done the IE WB VOL1, 2 times, I know that I still have some gaps
>> >> > > on QOS, especially on 3550, 3560 QOS.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I'm still doing the IE VOL2 labs, I done till LAB 16. I do it
>> >> > > slowly, I try to solve myself and whenever I learn anything new, I
>> >> > > write it down and then I attach on the wall of my room, at the
>> >> > > moment there are lots of papers on my wall, and every day I read
>> >> > > them to memorize.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I have the printed version of 3560 docs, I already read most of the
>> >> > > chapters and I did my notes.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I know I have gaps in QOS, Multicast, I don't want to get lost in
>> >> > > multicast in the LAB, sometimes I spend a lot of time for doing the
>> >> > > multicast
>> >> > >
>> >> > > what I have in my library :
>> >> > > 1) Doyell books
>> >> > > 2) R&S exam certi guide (odom)
>> >> > > 3) QOS exam cert guide (odom) (I didn't read)
>> >> > > 4) many printed documents about QOS, Multicast which I got from a
>> >> > > good friend. (just organized, not read yet)
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I donno, I have to continue doing the labs, or stop, just read, or
>> >> > > IE COD, or Narbik?? I'm not familiar with Narbik.
>> >> > > I plan to do IE mock labs on every Thursday .
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Please kindly Advise.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Thanks
>> >> > > Reza Toghraee
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
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