From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Sep 28 2008 - 18:34:10 ART
hehehehe
*Honestly though, I think the conversation has degraded to the point about
not being about individuals any longer. Other than Reza anyway, as he's the
one who asked for advice!*
I am sorry Scott, i still associate you with IPexpert, You should have
mentioned that Anthony degraded the conversation. No one was picking on
anyone till he started.
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Ronnie Angello
<ronnie.angello@gmail.com>wrote:
> I know that you really wanted to hear from the instructors, and they
> are all true experts, but let me suggest some stuff that I did in my
> last month of prep. I have to recommend the Cisco Assessor labs, but
> I wouldn't worry about working through any additional labs at this
> point. Read through the Doc CD, or whatever we're using these days,
> and build your own mini scenarios.
>
> Focus on the command references and understand each and every command.
> With one week to go start to slow down a little bit and don't study
> the day before your lab. It sounds like you have worked very hard and
> you're almost ready, so just build up your confidence a bit and go and
> get your number. Good luck.
>
> Ronnie
>
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Good advice - especially on working on your weakest links. I know I tend
> to
> > falter here and build on my stronger points. But working on the weaker
> > sections and getting the give-me points can easily add up to 2-3 points
> per
> > "weak section".
> >
> > Now do the math:
> >
> > 3 Weak Section = 3 x 2|3 = 6-9 points.
> >
> > If you have more weak sections you can get the biggest rate of return in
> > terms of points.
> >
> > And lots of people fail the exam by a mere 5-10 points.
> >
> >
> > Remember strategy is important.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Yeah! How could you forget about me? :)
> >>
> >> Honestly though, I think the conversation has degraded to the point
> about
> >> not being about individuals any longer. Other than Reza anyway, as he's
> >> the
> >> one who asked for advice!
> >>
> >> The best thing with any task is to break it down into stages. Multicast
> is
> >> not necessarily easy to configure, hence it's an area that causes
> >> confusion.
> >> That and it's not a "regular" topic in everyone's network design unlike
> >> basic routing! :)
> >>
> >> But can you break things down into simple tasks or stags? Absolutely!
> >>
> >> Asking people on here is one good way.... Getting one on one mentoring
> is
> >> another way... (Which, by the way, I wouldn't view as a waste of time at
> >> all! But it may not be the "magic pill" either!) Going to a bootcamp,
> >> where you can ask questions of an instructor sort-of-one-on-one would be
> >> another way.
> >>
> >> Oh yeah, almost forgot. OR, you can do it completely by yourself. The
> >> reference books listed are good ones and contain the information, but
> not
> >> necessarily the best way to parse it. That's what takes practice! And
> >> playing around, and making lots of notes, and perhaps messing things up
> a
> >> few times!
> >>
> >> But those are the things that will cause you to "never forget" the
> >> information.
> >>
> >> No matter which vendor you do or do not go with, make sure that things
> >> jive
> >> with your way of thinking!
> >>
> >> For the Last-Month preparation, I would spend MOST of my time with the
> >> topics you don't know well. Divide and Conquer. Break things up in
> stages
> >> that will at least gain SOME of the points! For example, topics like
> >> multicast will most likely be two to three separate point sections. You
> >> can
> >> make sure to get your basic points (two out of three?) by knowing the
> >> basics
> >> well. The more advanced part, you may look up. Or worst case, you may
> not
> >> get. But on the flip side, out of the (example) 8 points for multicast
> in
> >> the lab perhaps you can at least get 4-5 of them so that the overall hit
> >> isn't that bad!
> >>
> >> Don't get hung up on the quantity of details though. Create your own
> >> hierarchical learning method of the topics.
> >>
> >> Overall, relax! Take whatever help you can! If it doesn't work, smile
> and
> >> move to the next method! :)
> >>
> >>
> >> Scott Morris, CCIE4 #4713, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> >> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
> >> Senior CCIE Instructor
> >>
> >> smorris@internetworkexpert.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >> Knowledge is power.
> >> Power corrupts.
> >> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> >>
> >> PS. It's ok if you forget about me... I won't take it too personally!
> :)
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Ramy
> >> Sisy
> >> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 8:11 PM
> >> To: 'Narbik Kocharians'; asequeira@internetworkexpert.com
> >> Cc: ramysisy@inspiredmaster.com; reza@toghraee.com;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >> Subject: RE: Please advise, I have 1 month to LAB
> >>
> >> Common Narbik, please do not take it personally :)
> >>
> >> You forgot Scott Morris too, how could you forget him :)
> >>
> >> Hehehehe
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Ramy
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Narbik Kocharians
> >> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 4:32 PM
> >> To: asequeira@internetworkexpert.com
> >> Cc: ramysisy@inspiredmaster.com; reza@toghraee.com;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >> Subject: Re: Please advise, I have 1 month to LAB
> >>
> >> Reza,
> >>
> >> The last thing you want to do is waist your time with one on one
> .......,
> >> let me know if you really want to understand the stuff and i will show
> you
> >> how its done, If you are going to do one on one and still use IE, i
> would
> >> go
> >> with Brians or Petr.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Anthony Sequeira <
> >> asequeira@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi weak areas, and I quote, are "I know I have gaps in QOS, Multicast"
> >> >
> >> > No need for concern Narbik, I will be working with him one on one
> >> > until his lab date.
> >> >
> >> > Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251 Senior CCIE Instructor
> >> >
> >> > asequeira@internetworkexpert.com
> >> >
> >> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/> <
> >> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> >> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> >> > Outside US: 775-826-4344
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: narbikk@gmail.com
> >> > Sent: Fri, September 26, 2008 18:02
> >> > Subject:Re: Please advise, I have 1 month to LAB
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Reza,
> >> >
> >> > What are your weak areas??????
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Ramy Sisy
> >> > <ramysisy@inspiredmaster.com>wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Hi Reza,
> >> > > Here is the fact that you are afraid of and I am sure nobody else
> >> > > will
> >> > say
> >> > > it to you "YOU will fail miserably", after you walk out of the exam
> >> > > you will feel that you shoot yourself in the foot and the exam was
> >> > > achievable.
> >> You
> >> > > will study for a month and come back to pass it in 4 hours.
> >> > >
> >> > > So why do you have to shoot yourself in the foot for the first time.
> >> > > More than 50% of the CCIE exam is how you handle your pressure/
> stress.
> >> > > Please look at your positive points. You know that if you will not
> >> > > even touch QoS and Multicast, you will be able to pass because both
> >> > > sections
> >> > are
> >> > > no more than 15 points in the exam.
> >> > >
> >> > > I believe you do not need any bootcamps/extra material, and please
> >> > > do
> >> not
> >> > > get me wrong, Narbik is a phenomenal Instructor and a very close
> >> > > friend
> >> > of
> >> > > mine. All what you need is to relief your stress out and think
> >> > positively.
> >> > > - never mind about not working right now and think about how much
> >> > > time
> >> > you
> >> > > can dedicate for your study. You can give between 300-400 hours in
> >> > > the remaining month. Make use of your time and try to find people
> >> > > are
> >> willing
> >> > > to
> >> > > help like this group.
> >> > > - never mind to impress your x manager, or GS members, or your x
> >> > > colleagues at work... by passing from 1st attempt. Thinking to
> >> > > impress others is
> >> > just
> >> > > adding more pressure however nobody will see you falling in your 1st
> >> > > attempt.
> >> > > - never mind about your weak technologies because you still have
> >> > > time
> >> to
> >> > > study everything from scratch BUT WITH CLEAR/UNSTRESSED MIND.
> >> > >
> >> > > I developed a stress reliever formula and called it 80/20 CCIE
> >> > Preparation
> >> > > method.
> >> > > http://inspiredk.com/2008/08/26/the-8020-ccie-preparation-method/
> >> > >
> >> > > Feel free to contact me if you have any inquires.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > BEST REGARDS,
> >> > >
> >> > > RAMY SISY | CCIE II (SECURITY, ROUTING/SWITCHING)#17321, CCSI#30417
> >> > > CCIE PROGRAM MANAGER
> >> > >
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> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
> >> > > Of Reza Toghraee
> >> > > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 11:26 AM
> >> > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >> > > Subject: Please advise, I have 1 month to LAB
> >> > >
> >> > > Hello
> >> > >
> >> > > I need all of you people who already done this way to advise me.
> >> > > Especially
> >> > > the great instructors in the group.
> >> > > I have 1 month to the LAB, it's my first attempt. I already got a
> >> > > leave from my job, so I have full 1 month to be prepared.
> >> > >
> >> > > I have too much stress!
> >> > >
> >> > > Since 2 months ago, I increased my study times, to around 6 to 8
> >> > > hours per day.
> >> > >
> >> > > I reviewed all the IE COD as my second time, I wrote all the tips,
> >> > > and I try to read them randomly.
> >> > >
> >> > > I done the IE WB VOL1, 2 times, I know that I still have some gaps
> >> > > on QOS, especially on 3550, 3560 QOS.
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm still doing the IE VOL2 labs, I done till LAB 16. I do it
> >> > > slowly, I try to solve myself and whenever I learn anything new, I
> >> > > write it down and then I attach on the wall of my room, at the
> >> > > moment there are lots of papers on my wall, and every day I read
> >> > > them to memorize.
> >> > >
> >> > > I have the printed version of 3560 docs, I already read most of the
> >> > > chapters and I did my notes.
> >> > >
> >> > > I know I have gaps in QOS, Multicast, I don't want to get lost in
> >> > > multicast in the LAB, sometimes I spend a lot of time for doing the
> >> > > multicast
> >> > >
> >> > > what I have in my library :
> >> > > 1) Doyell books
> >> > > 2) R&S exam certi guide (odom)
> >> > > 3) QOS exam cert guide (odom) (I didn't read)
> >> > > 4) many printed documents about QOS, Multicast which I got from a
> >> > > good friend. (just organized, not read yet)
> >> > >
> >> > > I donno, I have to continue doing the labs, or stop, just read, or
> >> > > IE COD, or Narbik?? I'm not familiar with Narbik.
> >> > > I plan to do IE mock labs on every Thursday .
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Please kindly Advise.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks
> >> > > Reza Toghraee
> >> > >
> >> > >
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