From: Brad Ellis (brad@ccbootcamp.com)
Date: Wed Sep 10 2008 - 17:48:49 ART
I just tested the "self-defending" hypothesis. I hit my 2811 ISR router
with a hammer. It didn't defend itself. Now I have to open a TAC case.
thanks,
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Dane Newman
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:45 AM
To: Luan Nguyen
Cc: Colin McNamara; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: OT: Cisco vs. Nortel
I don't know with cisco it's the self defending network how could I
ever trust a company that wants to put me out of a job
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On Sep 10, 2008, at 12:30 PM, "Luan Nguyen" <luan@netcraftsmen.net>
wrote:
> Cisco wants to remind people that if it's Cisco Powered Network, it
> could be
> run by toddlers :), which reminds me that I should get my 7 years
> old a
> Cisco router for his birthday instead of some Lego Bionicles.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> Colin McNamara
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:21 PM
> Cc: 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: Re: OT: Cisco vs. Nortel
>
> If that would get them to stop using the "human network" I would be
> all in.
> I just don't get the point of having pictures of toddlers in slide
> decks
> while presenting to enterprise customers.....
>
> Joseph Brunner wrote:
>> :0)
>>
>> Great one man!
>>
>> That pretty much settles it!
>>
>> Cisco should use that as it ad slogan!
>>
>>
>> "What has your network done for you lately?"
>>
>> Considering I'm consulting till the end of the year at Ogilvy &
>> Mather
> (who
>> has the Cisco account) I'll walk up stairs and ask them to use it!
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>> Behalf Of
>> Anthony Faria
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:55 AM
>> To: Colin McNamara
>> Cc: Cisco certification
>> Subject: Re: OT: Cisco vs. Nortel
>>
>> All I know is that it is Cisco that pays my bills. I think a lot of
>> us
> could
>> say the same. What has Nortel done for me lately LOL.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Colin McNamara <Colin@2cups.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Does anybody want to get into a Ford vs Chevy debate while we are
>>> at it?
>>> Both companies are mature large cap investments. I think people
>>> would
>>> generally agree that Nortel's strength has mainly been in carrier
>>>
>> equipment
>>
>>> and TDM PBX's. Cisco has always been heavy in the enterprise play
>>> (route
> /
>>> switch / voip / security), while participating in the carrier
>>> segments
>>>
>> also.
>>
>>> I think at the end of the day the discussion is not about what is
>>> better
>>>
>> or
>>
>>> faster, because with chipset releases, code upgrades that will
>>> always
>>> change. The question is, what is better for the customer. That can
>>> encompass, training, support, future proofing, end to end product
>>>
>> coverage.
>>
>>> In that aspect, I think Cisco has an edge.
>>>
>>> But, thats just my opinion.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Colin McNamara
>>> (858)208-8105
>>> CCIE #18233,RHCE,GCIH http://www.colinmcnamara.com
>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/colinmcnamara
>>>
>>> "The difficult we do immediately, the impossible just takes a little
>>> longer"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joseph Brunner wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> And if you look at Cisco's Stock Price it has a steady rate of
>>>> growth.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Really?
>>>> So much for that analyst job at Goldman Zacks
>>>>
>>>> http://finance.google.com/finance?q=csco
>>>>
>>>> hit "5yr" its been pretty flat the whole decade. Cisco is a mature
>>>> company.
>>>> Nortel is a mature company also, but with less marketing and bad
>>>> management.
>>>>
>>>> Both of these companies together are in a very flat, slow growth
>>>>
>> industry.
>>
>>>> Apple computer makes toys for people with credit cards who don't
>>>> like
>>>> saving
>>>> money like IPOD's and Mac books;
>>>>
>>>> Cisco makes network technology that powers business and government
>>>> communication networks.
>>>>
>>>> Cisco was once a $500B company. It has yet to recover from the .com
> bust.
>>>> So in a way Cisco's shareholders didn't benefit from the
>>>> 2002-2006 stock
>>>> market recovery much, if at all.
>>>>
>>>> Crox was a better stock ;) (and they are more comfortable too!)
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>>>> Behalf Of
>>>> Christopher Copley
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:09 AM
>>>> To: Muhammad Nasim
>>>> Cc: Ina&Laurean; Bill Eyer; Brad Ellis; Cisco certification
>>>> Subject: Re: OT: Cisco vs. Nortel
>>>>
>>>> Group,
>>>>
>>>> This may be very OT, but if you look at Nortel Stock price it is
>>>> in a
>>>>
>> nose
>>
>>>> dive. And if you look at Cisco's Stock Price it has a steady
>>>> rate of
>>>> growth. Technology aside, why trust your network in the hands of a
>>>> company
>>>> that looks like it is bleeding money(and failing) like dropped
>>>> packets
>>>> from
>>>> a firewall? Now this is coming from a business perspective and
>>>> not a
>>>> technology perspective, but I would rather trust my network to a
>>>> company/vender that looks like it will still be here in 2010! I
>>>> have
>>>>
>> read
>>
>>>> nothing but bad things in the investment realm on the quality of
>>>> Nortel
>>>>
>> as
>>
>>>> a
>>>> viable company to invest in. So again, why trust your network to
>>>> any
>>>> thing
>>>> with a Nortel sticker on it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>>>>
>>>>
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