From: josh lauer (jslauer@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Aug 12 2008 - 06:54:28 ART
kelly mcgillis was hot in those days! stringfellow hawk must be a bit old by
now, hope at least he got his chopper upgraded to evade the latest military
hardware the russians can throw at him. I don't think the 1980's radar
package cuts it these days.
J
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From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:22 PM
To: "'Dino Picinich'" <dino.picinich@gmail.com>; "'Graham Hopkins'"
<ghopkins@wolf-rock.co.uk>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Subject: RE: very OT: this is ridiculous!
> Maybe it's Kelly McGillis? Reprising her role as "Charlie", Pentagon
> Contractor. After all she had a PhD in Astrophysics... She was a MiG
> expert,
> perhaps she happened to be there in Georgia!
>
> Of course the reliable Russian media, also found Stringfellow Hawk, Pilot
> of
> Airwolf, always a pain to the Soviets throughout the 80's, to provide
> insight via a commentary into how the Russian offensive is going?
>
> -Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Dino
> Picinich
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:08 PM
> To: Graham Hopkins
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: very OT: this is ridiculous!
>
> Exactly my thoughts. The fact that they are stating an American woman
> recognized that it was a Georgian plane is beyond propaganda and downright
> stupid. If you are going to spread propaganda, at least be somewhat smart
> and make it believable.
>
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 3:29 AM, Graham Hopkins
> <ghopkins@wolf-rock.co.uk>wrote:
>
>> Well no actually - how biased a report could you find? An Amercian woman
>> who recognised a a Georgian plane, strange how was she trained in
>> aircraft
>> recognition. I don't see how any report in a war from either side can be
>> considered unbiased. I'd rather take my news from the BBC - see
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7551576.stm for what seems a
>> reasonable summary.
>>
>> Seems to me that Georgia attacked in the mistaken view that Russia
> wouldn't
>> respond, who knows if that was what Russia wanted, the US wanted or
> anything
>> else? What I do know is that as usual its the ordinary and the poor who
> are
>> on the recieving end.
>>
>> Graham Hopkins
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ahsan Mohiuddin wrote:
>>
>>> Thumbs up Roman, i think this should shut everybody up !
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 4:06 AM, Roman Rodichev <roman@iementor.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCwTo9AdT2c
>>>>
>>>> maybe a u.s. citizen can be believed more?!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -------Original Message-------
>>>>> From: sheherezada@gmail.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: very OT: this is ridiculous!
>>>>> Sent: Aug 10 '08 13:20
>>>>>
>>>>> Roman,
>>>>>
>>>>> With all my honesty - what is in your opinion the reason for Georgia
>>>>> attacking Ossetia? I really want to know, because it does not make
>>>>> any sense to me. I mean, they want to join NATO, they want to offer
>>>>> a
>>>>> secure transit route for non-Russian oil to the Western Europe. What
>>>>> would be their interest? On the other hand, there is a precedent in
>>>>> Kosovo. Do they fear they will lose Ossetia just like the Serbs lost
>>>>> Kosovo, essentially based on ethnic majority? Because now, the only
>>>>> thing that makes sense to me is that Russia is trying to use this
>>>>> Georgian attack to completely discredit Georgia (i.e. to take it out
>>>>> the oil route). Why would then Georgians want to expose themselves
>>>>> to
>>>>> such a thing, especially knowing the Russian military power?
>>>>>
>>>>> Mihai
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 8:37 PM, Roman Rodichev <roman@iementor.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> > you really believe that those images are a result of Russian
>>>>> invasion?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Georgia has bombed and continues to bomb South Ossetia for the last
> three
>>>> days. I've seen much more terrible images of what's happening there. I
>>>> could
>>>> go on and on, but I'll spare this board from this crap, it's
> unnecessary,
>>>> and I'll stay on the topic of Southern Ossetia, because I don't want to
>>>> get
>>>> into any other discussions about Russia, 90's, and its Oligarchs. Ask
>>>> yourself a question: why does Georgian president speak English instead
> of
>>>> Georgian when he's speaking on their local TV stations? why did Condi
>>>> visited them couple of weeks ago? why doesn't CNN show any interviews
>>>> of
>>>> South Ossetia president? why doesn't CNN show any interviews or South
>>>> Ossetia civilians who survived the attack? I see a lot of those on
>>>> Russian
>>>> TV - and you can't just make that stuff up. People were trying to
> survive
>>>> in
>>>> the basements in the buildings, Georgian army was throwing grenades in
>>>> every
>>>> basement when they were re!
>>>> treat!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> > ing after Russian "invasion", there's still a lot of snipers left
> in
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> that city that kill off any remaining civilians, there's a footage
> online
>>>> showing a georgian trank driving over some old woman running with two
>>>> kids.
>>>> Just wait for a month or two, the real thuth will come out. You are
>>>> continued to be fed by anti-Russian propaganda. The real truth behind
>>>> what's
>>>> happening is Western fear that Russia is getting out of their control,
> it
>>>> all comes down to one-super-power ideology and natural resources.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> -------Original Message-------
>>>>> >> From: Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
>>>>> >> Subject: RE: very OT: this is ridiculous!
>>>>> >> Sent: Aug 09 '08 17:22
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> It's nice to see Russian troops "help" people in Southern
>>>>> Ossetia.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Doesn't this woman look grateful she was helped!
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
> http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/WORLD/europe/08/09/georgia.reax/t1land.inj
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> ured.woman.ap.jpg
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I'm sure that guided missile that blew up the hovel around her
>>>>> was
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> for her
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> own personal benefit! Or should be believe the "irresponsible and
>>>>> >> misinforming American media" hired that woman to roll around in
> the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> mud and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> give her self a bloody face so she would look good for her
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Goebbelsque cnn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> propaganda shot?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> It's nice to see Russia pockets fat again from nationalizing the
>>>>> oil
>>>>> >> conglomerates that were sold off to twenty-something oligarchs in
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> 1990's. There will be plenty of cash for Russia to pay for these
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> small
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> Afghanistan's throughout the rest of the 21st century!
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> -Joe
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> Roman Rodichev
>>>>> >> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 4:15 PM
>>>>> >> To: 'Cisco certification'
>>>>> >> Subject: very OT: this is ridiculous!
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> i can't believe how irresponsible and misinforming American media
>>>>> is
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> all Western media outlets are saying that Russia invaded and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> attacked
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> Georgia, and McCain is only making it worse (god forbid he gets
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> elected)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> while the truth is Georgian military had shelled the breakaway
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> region of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> Georgia (Southern Ossetia) and killed over 1000 civilians over
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> last 24
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> hours. Russian military and peacekeeping forces are trying to
>>>>> help
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> helpless
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> people in Southern Ossetia (where 80% of civilians hold Russian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> passports).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> This is the worst provocation I've seen in my lifetime to
>>>>> position
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> the West
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> against Russia. And they did it right on the first day of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Olympics!!! I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> personally have no doubt that U.S. government instigated Georgia
> to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> start
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> this attack.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I'm sorry for bringing political and world issues here, you have
>>>>> a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> right to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> yell at me, but I needed to vent... and more importantly so many
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> people in
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> U.S. will watch CNN today and will think that Russia started this
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> mess!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> While frontline news on cnn.com say "Georgia 'under attack' as
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Russian tanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> roll in", just read into the actual article and put 2 and 2
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> together...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
> http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/08/georgia.ossetia/index.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> CNN is saying as little as possible about the truth!!!!
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> "South Ossetia, with a population of about 70,000 people,
>>>>> declared
>>>>> >> independence from Georgia in the early 1990s, but it was not
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> internationally
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> recognized. Many ethnic Ossetians feel close to Russia and have
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Russian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> passports and use its currency."
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> "Georgian troops launched new attacks in South Ossetia late
>>>>> Thursday
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> after a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> top government official said a unilateral cease-fire offer was
>>>>> met
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> with
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> separatist artillery fire." <---- these are the attacks that
>>>>> were
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> started
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> by Georgia Thursday night and killed over 1000 people in Southern
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Ossetia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >>
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