From: Joseph Brunner (joe@affirmedsystems.com)
Date: Tue Aug 12 2008 - 00:22:06 ART
Maybe it's Kelly McGillis? Reprising her role as "Charlie", Pentagon
Contractor. After all she had a PhD in Astrophysics... She was a MiG expert,
perhaps she happened to be there in Georgia!
Of course the reliable Russian media, also found Stringfellow Hawk, Pilot of
Airwolf, always a pain to the Soviets throughout the 80's, to provide
insight via a commentary into how the Russian offensive is going?
-Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Dino
Picinich
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:08 PM
To: Graham Hopkins
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: very OT: this is ridiculous!
Exactly my thoughts. The fact that they are stating an American woman
recognized that it was a Georgian plane is beyond propaganda and downright
stupid. If you are going to spread propaganda, at least be somewhat smart
and make it believable.
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 3:29 AM, Graham Hopkins
<ghopkins@wolf-rock.co.uk>wrote:
> Well no actually - how biased a report could you find? An Amercian woman
> who recognised a a Georgian plane, strange how was she trained in aircraft
> recognition. I don't see how any report in a war from either side can be
> considered unbiased. I'd rather take my news from the BBC - see
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7551576.stm for what seems a
> reasonable summary.
>
> Seems to me that Georgia attacked in the mistaken view that Russia
wouldn't
> respond, who knows if that was what Russia wanted, the US wanted or
anything
> else? What I do know is that as usual its the ordinary and the poor who
are
> on the recieving end.
>
> Graham Hopkins
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ahsan Mohiuddin wrote:
>
>> Thumbs up Roman, i think this should shut everybody up !
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 4:06 AM, Roman Rodichev <roman@iementor.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCwTo9AdT2c
>>>
>>> maybe a u.s. citizen can be believed more?!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -------Original Message-------
>>>> From: sheherezada@gmail.com
>>>> Subject: Re: very OT: this is ridiculous!
>>>> Sent: Aug 10 '08 13:20
>>>>
>>>> Roman,
>>>>
>>>> With all my honesty - what is in your opinion the reason for Georgia
>>>> attacking Ossetia? I really want to know, because it does not make
>>>> any sense to me. I mean, they want to join NATO, they want to offer a
>>>> secure transit route for non-Russian oil to the Western Europe. What
>>>> would be their interest? On the other hand, there is a precedent in
>>>> Kosovo. Do they fear they will lose Ossetia just like the Serbs lost
>>>> Kosovo, essentially based on ethnic majority? Because now, the only
>>>> thing that makes sense to me is that Russia is trying to use this
>>>> Georgian attack to completely discredit Georgia (i.e. to take it out
>>>> the oil route). Why would then Georgians want to expose themselves to
>>>> such a thing, especially knowing the Russian military power?
>>>>
>>>> Mihai
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 8:37 PM, Roman Rodichev <roman@iementor.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> > you really believe that those images are a result of Russian
>>>> invasion?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Georgia has bombed and continues to bomb South Ossetia for the last
three
>>> days. I've seen much more terrible images of what's happening there. I
>>> could
>>> go on and on, but I'll spare this board from this crap, it's
unnecessary,
>>> and I'll stay on the topic of Southern Ossetia, because I don't want to
>>> get
>>> into any other discussions about Russia, 90's, and its Oligarchs. Ask
>>> yourself a question: why does Georgian president speak English instead
of
>>> Georgian when he's speaking on their local TV stations? why did Condi
>>> visited them couple of weeks ago? why doesn't CNN show any interviews of
>>> South Ossetia president? why doesn't CNN show any interviews or South
>>> Ossetia civilians who survived the attack? I see a lot of those on
>>> Russian
>>> TV - and you can't just make that stuff up. People were trying to
survive
>>> in
>>> the basements in the buildings, Georgian army was throwing grenades in
>>> every
>>> basement when they were re!
>>> treat!
>>>
>>>
>>>> > ing after Russian "invasion", there's still a lot of snipers left
in
>>>>
>>>>
>>> that city that kill off any remaining civilians, there's a footage
online
>>> showing a georgian trank driving over some old woman running with two
>>> kids.
>>> Just wait for a month or two, the real thuth will come out. You are
>>> continued to be fed by anti-Russian propaganda. The real truth behind
>>> what's
>>> happening is Western fear that Russia is getting out of their control,
it
>>> all comes down to one-super-power ideology and natural resources.
>>>
>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> -------Original Message-------
>>>> >> From: Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
>>>> >> Subject: RE: very OT: this is ridiculous!
>>>> >> Sent: Aug 09 '08 17:22
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It's nice to see Russian troops "help" people in Southern Ossetia.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Doesn't this woman look grateful she was helped!
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/WORLD/europe/08/09/georgia.reax/t1land.inj
>>>
>>>
>>>> >> ured.woman.ap.jpg
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I'm sure that guided missile that blew up the hovel around her was
>>>>
>>>>
>>> for her
>>>
>>>
>>>> >> own personal benefit! Or should be believe the "irresponsible and
>>>> >> misinforming American media" hired that woman to roll around in
the
>>>>
>>>>
>>> mud and
>>>
>>>
>>>> >> give her self a bloody face so she would look good for her
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Goebbelsque cnn
>>>
>>>
>>>> >> propaganda shot?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It's nice to see Russia pockets fat again from nationalizing the
>>>> oil
>>>> >> conglomerates that were sold off to twenty-something oligarchs in
>>>>
>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>
>>>> >> 1990's. There will be plenty of cash for Russia to pay for these
>>>>
>>>>
>>> small
>>>
>>>
>>>> >> Afghanistan's throughout the rest of the 21st century!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -Joe
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Behalf Of
>>>
>>>
>>>> >> Roman Rodichev
>>>> >> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 4:15 PM
>>>> >> To: 'Cisco certification'
>>>> >> Subject: very OT: this is ridiculous!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> i can't believe how irresponsible and misinforming American media
>>>> is
>>>> >>
>>>> >> all Western media outlets are saying that Russia invaded and
>>>>
>>>>
>>> attacked
>>>
>>>
>>>> >> Georgia, and McCain is only making it worse (god forbid he gets
>>>>
>>>>
>>> elected)
>>>
>>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> while the truth is Georgian military had shelled the breakaway
>>>>
>>>>
>>> region of
>>>
>>>
>>>> >> Georgia (Southern Ossetia) and killed over 1000 civilians over the
>>>>
>>>>
>>> last 24
>>>
>>>
>>>> >> hours. Russian military and peacekeeping forces are trying to help
>>>>
>>>>
>>> helpless
>>>
>>>
>>>> >> people in Southern Ossetia (where 80% of civilians hold Russian
>>>>
>>>>
>>> passports).
>>>
>>>
>>>> >> This is the worst provocation I've seen in my lifetime to position
>>>>
>>>>
>>> the West
>>>
>>>
>>>> >> against Russia. And they did it right on the first day of
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Olympics!!! I
>>>
>>>
>>>> >> personally have no doubt that U.S. government instigated Georgia
to
>>>>
>>>>
>>> start
>>>
>>>
>>>> >> this attack.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I'm sorry for bringing political and world issues here, you have a
>>>>
>>>>
>>> right to
>>>
>>>
>>>> >> yell at me, but I needed to vent... and more importantly so many
>>>>
>>>>
>>> people in
>>>
>>>
>>>> >> U.S. will watch CNN today and will think that Russia started this
>>>>
>>>>
>>> mess!!
>>>
>>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> While frontline news on cnn.com say "Georgia 'under attack' as
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Russian tanks
>>>
>>>
>>>> >> roll in", just read into the actual article and put 2 and 2
>>>>
>>>>
>>> together...
>>>
>>>
>>>> >>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/08/georgia.ossetia/index.html
>>>
>>>
>>>> >> CNN is saying as little as possible about the truth!!!!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "South Ossetia, with a population of about 70,000 people, declared
>>>> >> independence from Georgia in the early 1990s, but it was not
>>>>
>>>>
>>> internationally
>>>
>>>
>>>> >> recognized. Many ethnic Ossetians feel close to Russia and have
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Russian
>>>
>>>
>>>> >> passports and use its currency."
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "Georgian troops launched new attacks in South Ossetia late
>>>> Thursday
>>>>
>>>>
>>> after a
>>>
>>>
>>>> >> top government official said a unilateral cease-fire offer was met
>>>>
>>>>
>>> with
>>>
>>>
>>>> >> separatist artillery fire." <---- these are the attacks that were
>>>>
>>>>
>>> started
>>>
>>>
>>>> >> by Georgia Thursday night and killed over 1000 people in Southern
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Ossetia
>>>
>>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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