From: Scott Morris (smorris@internetworkexpert.com)
Date: Thu Aug 07 2008 - 17:10:53 ART
Hehehehe.. You're talking about simple bookeeping ideas here bearing
nothing on what normal people use those terms for!
Think of liability = expense and it'll be easier to swallow! (Yes, there
are some exceptions, but I figure we aren't arguing the finer points of
accounting methods here!)
Employees are an expense no matter how good (or profitable) they happen to
be. Now, the more profitable ones make them less of a "liability" in normal
terms but no less of an "expense" by any definition.
:)
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Gregg Malcolm
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:03 PM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: General Question
I'm no accountant but if I bill someone @ $200/hr and pay him/her $50/hr,
I'm making some pretty decent money for little cost (overhead - which I
would call a liability!)
If I don't have the employee who you term as a liability, I don't make
money. Assets make money which this employee does. Lots of companies
(especially gov contractors) do just this...
Just my 2 cents..
Gregg
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Hoogen <hoogen82@gmail.com> wrote:
> Good one.. But I like to tell you in every company's accounts books
> employees are always a liabilty not an asset. Hard truth but thats how
> it works. If it is the other way around, the accounts guy in that
> company is a total a******.
>
> -Hoogen
>
>
> On 8/7/08, Johnny Phan <johnny_d_phan@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Joe always speaks the truth even though he's the bearer of bad news.
> Just
> > do a simple "network engineer" search on Monster or Dice and you
> > will see the requirements. Cisco certification and skill has become
> > something
> like
> > an after thought. Yes you need it but companies can try to tinger
> > around with it. If it works, then great, even though its not best
> > practice, etc...If it breaks, no problem, we'll just call the
> > service provider or
> an
> > integrator and have them fix it.
> >
> > 1) No matter how skill an engineer is, he will NEVER make more than
> > his manager. I am talking about regular full-time small/medium and
> > even some large companies. You are screwed even more if your
> > company spans across multiple states and HR decides you should get
> > paid like you live in North Carolina when you live in California. I
> > like to see the Brians and Scott Morris go work permanently in a
> > medium size company making less than
> 120K.
> > They will pull their hair out.
> > Work Arounds: Work multiple jobs ???
> >
> > 2) ISPs are starting to clamp down on their devices. Those
> > companies
> who
> > have MPLS as their infrastructure probably know what I am talking about.
> > They have "offerings" that include leasing of their routers, but you
> don't
> > get to touch them. It looks great in the IT budget because it's not
> > a
> big
> > purchase when you are doing upgrades. Sooner or later, the upper
> management
> > will put one and one together and decide that since they control the
> > routers, they don't need someone with great Cisco experience
> > especially since that person can't even touch the routers. So you
> > are left with troubleshooting data center layer 3 switch and closet
problems, fun.
> "During
> > 90 degree summer days, the closet switch would reboot causing outage
> > in specific areas, can you fix it". I don't know, does putting the
> hot/burning
> > power box in the same closet have anything to do with it ? Let me
> > call
> God
> > and tell him to stop it with the hot weather. Also, with this voice
> stuff
> > coming along you get to troubleshoot phones, woo hoo, just like
> > troubleshooting people's other end devices, like PCs, printers.
> > Really people, is it too much to put in ten digits instead of 5?
> > Just put
> people
> > you call often into speed dial.
> > Work Around: None. Resistance is futile.
> >
> > 3) Raise is optional. Really? Inflation rate is 3% so if you are
> getting
> > paid the same because the company is not doing well, then you are
> > getting paid less.
> > Work Around: Quit and find a company that looks at IT as an asset,
> > not a liability.
> >
> > 4) We can't find talented engineers in America. Hmm, who is saying
> that,
> > let me guess. They are integrators who will find some recent CCIE
> > from a country I won't mention, with business Visas and paying them
> > about half
> of
> > what they are charging the customers. You can't find anyone with
> > CCM 6.0 experience? EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE, at a time will
> > not have experience until they touch it. The secret is if this
> > person is trust worthy enough to let him study up and touch it. For
> > example, let's say
> Joe
> > is an expert at CCM 6.0, etc...then he is ask to upgrade to 7.0 or
> > 8.0
> when
> > it comes out. Oh no, Joe doesn't know 8.0, I need someone with
> experience.
> > Let's call an integrator so they can bring someone who has
> > experience,
> from
> > Dubai.
> > Work Around: Hey ipexpert, internetworkexpert, how about offering a
> course
> > in not just passing the CCIE Voice, but how about upgrades and
> > include caveats along with things you will see in the real world ?
> > That way when Scott Morris looks for someone with CCM6.0 experience,
> > he won't have to
> look
> > far.
> >
> > By the way, does anyone have a date in Dubai for September? I need
> > to
> swap
> > dates because I am lazy and don't want to do it the fair way, which
> > is to check the cisco site often for open dates like everyone else
> > in the
> world.
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Brunner" <
> > joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> > To: <yungli2008@gmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 12:44 PM
> > Subject: RE: General Question
> >
> >
> > A few years ago I was in a room and EVERYONE but me was a CISSP.
> >> The cert had become a commodity and everyone started getting it in
> >> like 2004. What are the odds 6 guys (3 it, 1 finance, 1 project
> >> management, 1
> >> facilities!) from 2 different companies would all have the same
> >> CERTIFICATION?
> >>
> >> The CCIE is going through the same thing now. I recently went to a
> >> technical interview for a consulting position... all 4 of us were
> >> CCIE's ;) And that's just one small room, on planet earth.
> >>
> >> As times get tighter and IT gets more and more commonplace you need
> >> to
> do
> >> A
> >> LOT to keeping earning the amount of money to maintain your
> >> family's standard of living. Don't be shocked to see these numbers
> >> accelerate as more and more IT fields overlap (i.e. voice and data
> >> = same dept in the
> >> company)
> >> and fewer folks are needed.
> >>
> >> I'll leave you with this;
> >>
> >> I went to a "must be CCIE interview once". They wanted 10 things,
> systems,
> >> email, backups, oh, yeah, and cisco". Cisco is really becoming an
> >> afterthought to many organizations...
> >>
> >> "I'll take a C++ guy, who knows java, unix, shell scripts, oh, and
> >> when he's not busy, he can re-design and admin my cisco network!"
> >>
> >> -Joe
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> >> Behalf Of yungli2008@gmail.com
> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 3:25 PM
> >> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >> Subject: General Question
> >>
> >> Experts
> >> I couldn't understand the CCIE number, current total CCIEs 17660
> >> but the current number is 21665.
> >>
> >> How cisco offer these numbers.... symmetrically or?
> >>
> >> For example last month one guy got #21395 now another one #21665,
> >> within
> a
> >> month 270 CCIEs..? I can't believe?
> >>
> >> Li
> >>
> >>
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