From: Johnny Phan (johnny_d_phan@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Aug 07 2008 - 14:35:09 ART
Joe always speaks the truth even though he's the bearer of bad news. Just
do a simple "network engineer" search on Monster or Dice and you will see
the requirements. Cisco certification and skill has become something like
an after thought. Yes you need it but companies can try to tinger around
with it. If it works, then great, even though its not best practice,
etc...If it breaks, no problem, we'll just call the service provider or an
integrator and have them fix it.
1) No matter how skill an engineer is, he will NEVER make more than his
manager. I am talking about regular full-time small/medium and even some
large companies. You are screwed even more if your company spans across
multiple states and HR decides you should get paid like you live in North
Carolina when you live in California. I like to see the Brians and Scott
Morris go work permanently in a medium size company making less than 120K.
They will pull their hair out.
Work Arounds: Work multiple jobs ???
2) ISPs are starting to clamp down on their devices. Those companies who
have MPLS as their infrastructure probably know what I am talking about.
They have "offerings" that include leasing of their routers, but you don't
get to touch them. It looks great in the IT budget because it's not a big
purchase when you are doing upgrades. Sooner or later, the upper management
will put one and one together and decide that since they control the
routers, they don't need someone with great Cisco experience especially
since that person can't even touch the routers. So you are left with
troubleshooting data center layer 3 switch and closet problems, fun.
"During 90 degree summer days, the closet switch would reboot causing outage
in specific areas, can you fix it". I don't know, does putting the
hot/burning power box in the same closet have anything to do with it ? Let
me call God and tell him to stop it with the hot weather. Also, with this
voice stuff coming along you get to troubleshoot phones, woo hoo, just like
troubleshooting people's other end devices, like PCs, printers. Really
people, is it too much to put in ten digits instead of 5? Just put people
you call often into speed dial.
Work Around: None. Resistance is futile.
3) Raise is optional. Really? Inflation rate is 3% so if you are getting
paid the same because the company is not doing well, then you are getting
paid less.
Work Around: Quit and find a company that looks at IT as an asset, not a
liability.
4) We can't find talented engineers in America. Hmm, who is saying that,
let me guess. They are integrators who will find some recent CCIE from a
country I won't mention, with business Visas and paying them about half of
what they are charging the customers. You can't find anyone with CCM 6.0
experience? EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE, at a time will not have
experience until they touch it. The secret is if this person is trust
worthy enough to let him study up and touch it. For example, let's say Joe
is an expert at CCM 6.0, etc...then he is ask to upgrade to 7.0 or 8.0 when
it comes out. Oh no, Joe doesn't know 8.0, I need someone with experience.
Let's call an integrator so they can bring someone who has experience, from
Dubai.
Work Around: Hey ipexpert, internetworkexpert, how about offering a course
in not just passing the CCIE Voice, but how about upgrades and include
caveats along with things you will see in the real world ? That way when
Scott Morris looks for someone with CCM6.0 experience, he won't have to look
far.
By the way, does anyone have a date in Dubai for September? I need to swap
dates because I am lazy and don't want to do it the fair way, which is to
check the cisco site often for open dates like everyone else in the world.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
To: <yungli2008@gmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 12:44 PM
Subject: RE: General Question
>A few years ago I was in a room and EVERYONE but me was a CISSP.
> The cert had become a commodity and everyone started getting it in like
> 2004. What are the odds 6 guys (3 it, 1 finance, 1 project management, 1
> facilities!) from 2 different companies would all have the same
> CERTIFICATION?
>
> The CCIE is going through the same thing now. I recently went to a
> technical
> interview for a consulting position... all 4 of us were CCIE's ;)
> And that's just one small room, on planet earth.
>
> As times get tighter and IT gets more and more commonplace you need to do
> A
> LOT to keeping earning the amount of money to maintain your family's
> standard of living. Don't be shocked to see these numbers accelerate as
> more
> and more IT fields overlap (i.e. voice and data = same dept in the
> company)
> and fewer folks are needed.
>
> I'll leave you with this;
>
> I went to a "must be CCIE interview once". They wanted 10 things, systems,
> email, backups, oh, yeah, and cisco". Cisco is really becoming an
> afterthought to many organizations...
>
> "I'll take a C++ guy, who knows java, unix, shell scripts, oh, and when
> he's
> not busy, he can re-design and admin my cisco network!"
>
> -Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> yungli2008@gmail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 3:25 PM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: General Question
>
> Experts
> I couldn't understand the CCIE number, current total CCIEs 17660 but the
> current number is 21665.
>
> How cisco offer these numbers.... symmetrically or?
>
> For example last month one guy got #21395 now another one #21665, within a
> month 270 CCIEs..? I can't believe?
>
> Li
>
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