From: Hoogen (hoogen82@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Aug 07 2008 - 16:30:53 ART
Good one.. But I like to tell you in every company's accounts books
employees are always a liabilty not an asset. Hard truth but thats how it
works. If it is the other way around, the accounts guy in that company is a
total a******.
-Hoogen
On 8/7/08, Johnny Phan <johnny_d_phan@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Joe always speaks the truth even though he's the bearer of bad news. Just
> do a simple "network engineer" search on Monster or Dice and you will see
> the requirements. Cisco certification and skill has become something like
> an after thought. Yes you need it but companies can try to tinger around
> with it. If it works, then great, even though its not best practice,
> etc...If it breaks, no problem, we'll just call the service provider or an
> integrator and have them fix it.
>
> 1) No matter how skill an engineer is, he will NEVER make more than his
> manager. I am talking about regular full-time small/medium and even some
> large companies. You are screwed even more if your company spans across
> multiple states and HR decides you should get paid like you live in North
> Carolina when you live in California. I like to see the Brians and Scott
> Morris go work permanently in a medium size company making less than 120K.
> They will pull their hair out.
> Work Arounds: Work multiple jobs ???
>
> 2) ISPs are starting to clamp down on their devices. Those companies who
> have MPLS as their infrastructure probably know what I am talking about.
> They have "offerings" that include leasing of their routers, but you don't
> get to touch them. It looks great in the IT budget because it's not a big
> purchase when you are doing upgrades. Sooner or later, the upper management
> will put one and one together and decide that since they control the
> routers, they don't need someone with great Cisco experience especially
> since that person can't even touch the routers. So you are left with
> troubleshooting data center layer 3 switch and closet problems, fun. "During
> 90 degree summer days, the closet switch would reboot causing outage in
> specific areas, can you fix it". I don't know, does putting the hot/burning
> power box in the same closet have anything to do with it ? Let me call God
> and tell him to stop it with the hot weather. Also, with this voice stuff
> coming along you get to troubleshoot phones, woo hoo, just like
> troubleshooting people's other end devices, like PCs, printers. Really
> people, is it too much to put in ten digits instead of 5? Just put people
> you call often into speed dial.
> Work Around: None. Resistance is futile.
>
> 3) Raise is optional. Really? Inflation rate is 3% so if you are getting
> paid the same because the company is not doing well, then you are getting
> paid less.
> Work Around: Quit and find a company that looks at IT as an asset, not a
> liability.
>
> 4) We can't find talented engineers in America. Hmm, who is saying that,
> let me guess. They are integrators who will find some recent CCIE from a
> country I won't mention, with business Visas and paying them about half of
> what they are charging the customers. You can't find anyone with CCM 6.0
> experience? EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE, at a time will not have
> experience until they touch it. The secret is if this person is trust
> worthy enough to let him study up and touch it. For example, let's say Joe
> is an expert at CCM 6.0, etc...then he is ask to upgrade to 7.0 or 8.0 when
> it comes out. Oh no, Joe doesn't know 8.0, I need someone with experience.
> Let's call an integrator so they can bring someone who has experience, from
> Dubai.
> Work Around: Hey ipexpert, internetworkexpert, how about offering a course
> in not just passing the CCIE Voice, but how about upgrades and include
> caveats along with things you will see in the real world ? That way when
> Scott Morris looks for someone with CCM6.0 experience, he won't have to look
> far.
>
> By the way, does anyone have a date in Dubai for September? I need to swap
> dates because I am lazy and don't want to do it the fair way, which is to
> check the cisco site often for open dates like everyone else in the world.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Brunner" <
> joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> To: <yungli2008@gmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 12:44 PM
> Subject: RE: General Question
>
>
> A few years ago I was in a room and EVERYONE but me was a CISSP.
>> The cert had become a commodity and everyone started getting it in like
>> 2004. What are the odds 6 guys (3 it, 1 finance, 1 project management, 1
>> facilities!) from 2 different companies would all have the same
>> CERTIFICATION?
>>
>> The CCIE is going through the same thing now. I recently went to a
>> technical
>> interview for a consulting position... all 4 of us were CCIE's ;)
>> And that's just one small room, on planet earth.
>>
>> As times get tighter and IT gets more and more commonplace you need to do
>> A
>> LOT to keeping earning the amount of money to maintain your family's
>> standard of living. Don't be shocked to see these numbers accelerate as
>> more
>> and more IT fields overlap (i.e. voice and data = same dept in the
>> company)
>> and fewer folks are needed.
>>
>> I'll leave you with this;
>>
>> I went to a "must be CCIE interview once". They wanted 10 things, systems,
>> email, backups, oh, yeah, and cisco". Cisco is really becoming an
>> afterthought to many organizations...
>>
>> "I'll take a C++ guy, who knows java, unix, shell scripts, oh, and when
>> he's
>> not busy, he can re-design and admin my cisco network!"
>>
>> -Joe
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> yungli2008@gmail.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 3:25 PM
>> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: General Question
>>
>> Experts
>> I couldn't understand the CCIE number, current total CCIEs 17660 but the
>> current number is 21665.
>>
>> How cisco offer these numbers.... symmetrically or?
>>
>> For example last month one guy got #21395 now another one #21665, within a
>> month 270 CCIEs..? I can't believe?
>>
>> Li
>>
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