From: Joseph Brunner (joe@affirmedsystems.com)
Date: Thu Jul 24 2008 - 20:15:25 ART
I can guarantee you Cisco is a life and death career...
Imagine a carrier or tank crew blind on the ipv6 battle field... certainly
you have heard of the DOD next generation of Siprnet?
With only casual PDF searches of Google a few years back and landing on
disa.mil it's clear they are using Cisco equipment to make life and death
decisions...
Not to mention a hospital ICU where the nurse's station is monitoring a 22
year old critically injured woman's vital signs over an IP network 24 hours
a day...
Tough to run in a restart her heart if the vital signs haven't updated in 30
minutes, huh?
How about air traffic control?
A heart surgeon works on one or two patients...
I know for a fact FAA controllers watch hundreds of planes in the regional
control center with thousands of lives in the air over Cisco routers and
switches...
How about traffic cameras? One of my students needed my help to configure
multicast on 3750's for the Pennsylvania DOT. Those cameras are watched 24
hours a day to make sure drivers are safe, and that State Police are
notified in the event of Emergency or a dangerous driver on the road...
How do I know this? When it wasn't working there was steam on her to get it
working real fast!
We all spend a lot of time in labs, but I can assure you this technology
also has real world life and death ramifications...
-Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Roman Rodichev [mailto:roman@iementor.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:45 PM
To: Joseph Brunner; 'Matt Bentley'
Cc: 'Ramy Sisy'; 'Narbik Kocharians'; 'Michael Jones'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: Good job CISCO!!!!
But we are not heart surgeons, are we?
Roman Rodichev
5xCCIE #7927 (R&S, Security, Voice, Storage, Service Provider)
Instructor, Content Developer. ieMentor Corporation
http://www.iementor.com
Y!M: roman7927
-----Original Message-----
From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
To: "'Matt Bentley'" <mattdbentley@gmail.com>
Cc: "'Ramy Sisy'" <ramysisy@inspiredmaster.com>; "'Narbik Kocharians'"
<narbikk@gmail.com>; "'Michael Jones'" <majonestx@gmail.com>; "'Cisco
certification'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: 7/24/08 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: Good job CISCO!!!!
Very good idea.
I love the fact Juniper does this for the "professional" level cert. All
that is required of a Cisco "professional" level is a "professional" level
of testking Q and A's. I had an arrogant student quit my ccnp class to prove
to us testking was a better use of his time. He did get CCNP certified in 3
weeks of reading testkings.
Could you imagine a "doctor" that only read health magazines and then he
started doing heart surgery?
I think its time to up the ante to preserve the value of the credential.
-Joe
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From: Matt Bentley [mailto:mattdbentley@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:01 PM
To: Joseph Brunner
Cc: Ramy Sisy; Narbik Kocharians; Michael Jones; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: Good job CISCO!!!!
Why do we wait to test practical knowledge (aside from sims) until expert
level? Why not have a "lab" for associate and professional levels?
Granted, it would make exams more expensive, but this would serve even more
to prevent excessively casual test-takers from foolish attempts.
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
wrote:
Something has to be done...
I know about 24 testking certified CCNP/CCDP/CCVP who don't know when how to
use option 150, bgp next hop self, what MOS, etc.
It has to stop... this is a small step in the right direction for Cisco/Vue
to take.
;)
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Ramy
Sisy
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 5:42 PM
To: 'Narbik Kocharians'; 'Joseph Brunner'
Cc: 'Michael Jones'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: Good job CISCO!!!!
If it will be done, a lot of multiple CCIEs will lose their extra unaware
titles nowadays, LOL
I wonder how a triple or quadruple will upgrade his labs every 2 years.
Best Regards,
-Ramy Sisy
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Narbik Kocharians
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 2:19 PM
To: Joseph Brunner
Cc: Michael Jones; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: Good job CISCO!!!!
I will vote for that.
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
wrote:
> THANK GOD!!!
>
> Lets start by invalidating ALL previously obtained prometric/VUE
> certifications... and requiring CCIE's pass the LAB not just the written
> every 2 years...
>
> -Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Michael Jones
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 5:14 PM
> To: Cisco certification
> Subject: Good job CISCO!!!!
>
>
>
http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/telecom/cisco-pearson-vu
> e-combat-exam-fraud-global-test-delivery-enhancements/-1099877822
>
> Tuesday, July 22, 2008 Cisco and Pearson VUE Combat Exam Fraud With Global
> Test Delivery Enhancements
>
> Jul 22, 2008 (Hugin via COMTEX) ----New Security Measures Underscore
> Commitment to Protect Certification Integrity and Value
>
> SAN JOSE, CA and BLOOMINGTON, MN--(Marketwire - July 22, 2008) - Cisco
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> Pearson VUE, a business of Pearson, today announced a series of security
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>
> "Cisco certifications are one of the most highly valued credentials
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> Ullanderson, manager of global certifications for Learning@Cisco. "Proxy
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> Cisco are leading the way in aggressively combating this industry wide
> issue
> through the latest advancements in exam development and delivery."
>
> The advanced security enhancements include the use of digital photographs
> for candidate-identity verification and forensic analysis of testing data
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