From: Jared Scrivener (jared@mensa.org.au)
Date: Fri Jul 04 2008 - 13:00:46 ART
Bought everyone's product?
More students like Josh please. :)
Cheers,
Jared Scrivener CCIE2 #16983 (R&S, Security), CISSP
Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of josh
lauer
Sent: Friday, 4 July 2008 11:58 AM
To: Marc La Porte
Cc: swm@emanon.com; Brian McGahan; Felix Nkansah; Lala Lander; Cisco
certification
Subject: Re: Narbik Joins IPExpert....Interesting !!
you could drag this out all day,
everyone is going to have their own swing on things with regard to numbers.
and you'll never have "exactly" equal numbers. numbers are just numbers, as
scott mentioned a marketing gimmick and nothing more.
I would think that user satisfaction and word of mouth are more suitable
gauges of a vendors success. I never really cared about the numbers, I just
bought everyone's product and determined for myself which was best.
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From: "Marc La Porte" <marc.a.laporte@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 11:49 AM
To: "josh lauer" <jslauer@hotmail.com>
Cc: <swm@emanon.com>; "Brian McGahan" <bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>;
"Felix Nkansah" <felixnkansah@gmail.com>; "Lala Lander" <sshafi@gmail.com>;
"Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Subject: Re: Narbik Joins IPExpert....Interesting !!
> not if an equal amount of IPexpert users use IE, and vice versa... then
> "just" comparing is fine
>
> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 5:21 PM, josh lauer <jslauer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> sure,
>>
>> but if you are comparing one to one it would make sense to remove the
>> ones
>> who used the multiple vendors and to set a date (such as when
>> internetworkexpert was formed) that would be more logical. However as
>> mentioned, the numbers are that...just numbers. it depends on what the
>> question is...more CCIE's than anyone, fastest growing, etc...
>>
>> on their own everyone's lists look pretty impressive so In my view the
>> numbers are just one of many elements to gauge the effectiveness of any
>> one
>> provider.
>>
>>
>> I don't think coming right out and attacking a vendor is all that kosher
>> either, just my .02 cents.
>>
>>
>> J
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
>> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 10:58 AM
>> To: "'josh lauer'" <jslauer@hotmail.com>; "'Brian McGahan'" <
>> bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>; "'Felix Nkansah'" <
>> felixnkansah@gmail.com>
>> Cc: "'Lala Lander'" <sshafi@gmail.com>; "'Cisco certification'" <
>> ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> Subject: RE: Narbik Joins IPExpert....Interesting !!
>>
>>
>> When the lists are setup as CCIE's that were helped using (insert vendor
>>> here) product, why would you discount those using multiple vendors?
>>> Unless
>>> your study was designed to figure out who used only one vendor to
>>> prepare.
>>> And wouldn't that logically skew to those who had been around longest?
>>> Because that would be years of a head start.
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott Morris, CCIE4 #4713, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
>>> Senior CCIE Instructor
>>>
>>> smorris@internetworkexpert.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 705
>>> Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 705
>>> 24/7 Support: http://forum.internetworkexpert.com
>>> Live Chat: http://www.internetworkexpert.com/chat/
>>>
>>> Knowledge is power.
>>> Power corrupts.
>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>>> josh
>>> lauer
>>> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 10:06 AM
>>> To: Brian McGahan; Felix Nkansah
>>> Cc: Lala Lander; Cisco certification
>>> Subject: Re: Narbik Joins IPExpert....Interesting !!
>>>
>>> I have a question, not discounting your logic here but did you
>>> cross-reference the people that use both products? I'm curious on how
>>> that
>>> figured into the calculations. In order to be fair I would discount the
>>> ones
>>> that used both products in order to gain an accurate diagnostic here. To
>>> go
>>> even further what about NMC and other providers as well. I know I used
>>> around 4 different providers products and I'm sure many others have too.
>>>
>>> So I would take out the people who used multiple products and then focus
>>> on
>>> the folks that used the products singly, this would be more fair.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Brian McGahan" <bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 9:50 AM
>>> To: "Felix Nkansah" <felixnkansah@gmail.com>
>>> Cc: "Lala Lander" <sshafi@gmail.com>; "Cisco certification"
>>> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Narbik Joins IPExpert....Interesting !!
>>>
>>> Yes, that's true, IPExpert has been around longer. However
>>>> Internetwork Expert has *both* the fastest growing list *and* the
>>>> longest list of all the vendors; check for yourself:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/
>>>> http://www.ipexpert.com/index.cfm/Success
>>>>
>>>> As of this morning Internetwork Expert has 784 total CCIEs on our
>>>> list who used our products, and IPExpert has 729. This is regardless
>>>> of
>>>> the fact that Internetwork Expert is about to celebrate it's 5th
>>>> anniversary this year, while IPExpert has been around much longer.
>>>>
>>>> If you compare recent CCIE's its even a much much larger
>>>> difference. If you count just numbers above 20,000 Internetwork Expert
>>>> has 128 people on the list as of this morning, while IPExpert has 54.
>>>> This means that roughly 3 times as many people are passing using
>>>> Internetwork Expert products versus IPExpert.
>>>>
>>>> I find it amazing that IPexpert says it "is proud to have helped
>>>> more engineers become CCIEs than any other vendor. While others may
>>>> claim this honor, IPexpert backs it up... the published numbers speak
>>>> for themselves." Yes, they do speak for themselves... about outright
>>>> false advertising ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
>>>> bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com
>>>> <mailto:bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>
>>>>
>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>>>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 705
>>>> Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 705
>>>> 24/7 Support: http://forum.internetworkexpert.com
>>>> Live Chat: http://www.internetworkexpert.com/chat/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Felix Nkansah wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Lala,
>>>>>
>>>>> How interesting. A poll wouldnt be necessary here I suppose.
>>>>>
>>>>> IE says they have the 'fastest growing list' of CCIEs. IPExpert says
>>>>> they
>>>>> have the longest list of CCIEs.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you ask me, I wouldnt say these remarks are contradictory. They are
>>>>> rather complementary.
>>>>>
>>>>> IPExpert has been around longer and I am not surprised to hear them
>>>>> preach
>>>>> as CCIE Vendor #1 (in terms of longest list).
>>>>>
>>>>> My 2 pesewas!
>>>>>
>>>>> Felix
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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