From: Marc La Porte (marc.a.laporte@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Jul 04 2008 - 13:05:16 ART
It's also price/quality... IE is very well priced, yet very high quality...
Something that cannot be said of all vendors (no offense)
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Jared Scrivener <jared@mensa.org.au> wrote:
> Bought everyone's product?
>
> More students like Josh please. :)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jared Scrivener CCIE2 #16983 (R&S, Security), CISSP
> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> josh
> lauer
> Sent: Friday, 4 July 2008 11:58 AM
> To: Marc La Porte
> Cc: swm@emanon.com; Brian McGahan; Felix Nkansah; Lala Lander; Cisco
> certification
> Subject: Re: Narbik Joins IPExpert....Interesting !!
>
> you could drag this out all day,
>
> everyone is going to have their own swing on things with regard to numbers.
> and you'll never have "exactly" equal numbers. numbers are just numbers, as
> scott mentioned a marketing gimmick and nothing more.
>
> I would think that user satisfaction and word of mouth are more suitable
> gauges of a vendors success. I never really cared about the numbers, I just
> bought everyone's product and determined for myself which was best.
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Marc La Porte" <marc.a.laporte@gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 11:49 AM
> To: "josh lauer" <jslauer@hotmail.com>
> Cc: <swm@emanon.com>; "Brian McGahan" <bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>;
> "Felix Nkansah" <felixnkansah@gmail.com>; "Lala Lander" <sshafi@gmail.com
> >;
> "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Subject: Re: Narbik Joins IPExpert....Interesting !!
>
> > not if an equal amount of IPexpert users use IE, and vice versa... then
> > "just" comparing is fine
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 5:21 PM, josh lauer <jslauer@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> sure,
> >>
> >> but if you are comparing one to one it would make sense to remove the
> >> ones
> >> who used the multiple vendors and to set a date (such as when
> >> internetworkexpert was formed) that would be more logical. However as
> >> mentioned, the numbers are that...just numbers. it depends on what the
> >> question is...more CCIE's than anyone, fastest growing, etc...
> >>
> >> on their own everyone's lists look pretty impressive so In my view the
> >> numbers are just one of many elements to gauge the effectiveness of any
> >> one
> >> provider.
> >>
> >>
> >> I don't think coming right out and attacking a vendor is all that kosher
> >> either, just my .02 cents.
> >>
> >>
> >> J
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 10:58 AM
> >> To: "'josh lauer'" <jslauer@hotmail.com>; "'Brian McGahan'" <
> >> bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>; "'Felix Nkansah'" <
> >> felixnkansah@gmail.com>
> >> Cc: "'Lala Lander'" <sshafi@gmail.com>; "'Cisco certification'" <
> >> ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >> Subject: RE: Narbik Joins IPExpert....Interesting !!
> >>
> >>
> >> When the lists are setup as CCIE's that were helped using (insert
> vendor
> >>> here) product, why would you discount those using multiple vendors?
> >>> Unless
> >>> your study was designed to figure out who used only one vendor to
> >>> prepare.
> >>> And wouldn't that logically skew to those who had been around longest?
> >>> Because that would be years of a head start.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Scott Morris, CCIE4 #4713, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> >>> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
> >>> Senior CCIE Instructor
> >>>
> >>> smorris@internetworkexpert.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> >>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 705
> >>> Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 705
> >>> 24/7 Support: http://forum.internetworkexpert.com
> >>> Live Chat: http://www.internetworkexpert.com/chat/
> >>>
> >>> Knowledge is power.
> >>> Power corrupts.
> >>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> >>> josh
> >>> lauer
> >>> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 10:06 AM
> >>> To: Brian McGahan; Felix Nkansah
> >>> Cc: Lala Lander; Cisco certification
> >>> Subject: Re: Narbik Joins IPExpert....Interesting !!
> >>>
> >>> I have a question, not discounting your logic here but did you
> >>> cross-reference the people that use both products? I'm curious on how
> >>> that
> >>> figured into the calculations. In order to be fair I would discount the
> >>> ones
> >>> that used both products in order to gain an accurate diagnostic here.
> To
> >>> go
> >>> even further what about NMC and other providers as well. I know I used
> >>> around 4 different providers products and I'm sure many others have
> too.
> >>>
> >>> So I would take out the people who used multiple products and then
> focus
> >>> on
> >>> the folks that used the products singly, this would be more fair.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> J
> >>>
> >>> --------------------------------------------------
> >>> From: "Brian McGahan" <bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>
> >>> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 9:50 AM
> >>> To: "Felix Nkansah" <felixnkansah@gmail.com>
> >>> Cc: "Lala Lander" <sshafi@gmail.com>; "Cisco certification"
> >>> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: Narbik Joins IPExpert....Interesting !!
> >>>
> >>> Yes, that's true, IPExpert has been around longer. However
> >>>> Internetwork Expert has *both* the fastest growing list *and* the
> >>>> longest list of all the vendors; check for yourself:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/
> >>>> http://www.ipexpert.com/index.cfm/Success
> >>>>
> >>>> As of this morning Internetwork Expert has 784 total CCIEs on our
> >>>> list who used our products, and IPExpert has 729. This is regardless
> >>>> of
> >>>> the fact that Internetwork Expert is about to celebrate it's 5th
> >>>> anniversary this year, while IPExpert has been around much longer.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you compare recent CCIE's its even a much much larger
> >>>> difference. If you count just numbers above 20,000 Internetwork
> Expert
> >>>> has 128 people on the list as of this morning, while IPExpert has 54.
> >>>> This means that roughly 3 times as many people are passing using
> >>>> Internetwork Expert products versus IPExpert.
> >>>>
> >>>> I find it amazing that IPexpert says it "is proud to have helped
> >>>> more engineers become CCIEs than any other vendor. While others may
> >>>> claim this honor, IPexpert backs it up... the published numbers speak
> >>>> for themselves." Yes, they do speak for themselves... about outright
> >>>> false advertising ;)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
> >>>> bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com
> >>>> <mailto:bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>
> >>>>
> >>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >>>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> >>>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 705
> >>>> Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 705
> >>>> 24/7 Support: http://forum.internetworkexpert.com
> >>>> Live Chat: http://www.internetworkexpert.com/chat/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Felix Nkansah wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Lala,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How interesting. A poll wouldnt be necessary here I suppose.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> IE says they have the 'fastest growing list' of CCIEs. IPExpert says
> >>>>> they
> >>>>> have the longest list of CCIEs.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you ask me, I wouldnt say these remarks are contradictory. They
> are
> >>>>> rather complementary.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> IPExpert has been around longer and I am not surprised to hear them
> >>>>> preach
> >>>>> as CCIE Vendor #1 (in terms of longest list).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My 2 pesewas!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Felix
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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