From: Jared Scrivener (jscrivener@ipexpert.com)
Date: Wed Jul 02 2008 - 11:32:42 ART
Hey Luan,
We need a thread for this topic as it comes up pretty often. Once I get my
personal blog setup soon (I bought the domain yesterday) I'll have a topic
dedicated to this.
Firstly, it isn't just about the money - there are many more factors to
consider when taking the job. Sure money is important, but I find lifestyle
flexibility, travel and respect are all valuable too.
Secondly, I'm loathe to give salary advice per se - every country and every
person is different and we all have additional talents and experiences
besides our CCIE.
What I do recommend though is that you market yourself. If you're the person
applying for jobs (rather than them being offered to you) you have less
negotiating hand.
When you start to get offers (a CCIE is a great marketing tool) always ask
the recruiter about the client, the rate, the industry sector etc. and
remember the numbers. Add about 10% to the highest one you hear about (as
that factors out recruiters fees) and that's how much you should be asking
for if you were to apply to the company directly to another company in the
same sector.
Recruiters need to get paid, so if they offer you a job AND add value to you
(i.e help you negotiate, give you information etc.) don't cut them out of
the picture - just realise that your new employer can afford to pay you
$10-15K more next year when the recruiters fees aren't factored into your
salary. I've dealt with a number of great recruiters who will look at my
wants and needs and go out of their way to find me other jobs that may suit
me. Use LinkedIn to build relationships with them.
Anyway, that's my 2 cents.
Cheers,
Jared Scrivener CCIE2 #16983 (R&S, Security), CISSP
Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
Fax: +1.810.454.0130
Mailto: jscrivener@ipexpert.com
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Luan
Nguyen
Sent: Wednesday, 2 July 2008 9:37 AM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: OT: Salary Question Again!
Hi guys,
In lieu of Mister Scott Morris left for IE, and with Jared's advise :)
yep...putting you guys on the spot :P. I am thinking of testing
opportunities out...putting my resume on linkedin..etc
I am in the northern virginia area. What do you think i should start
negotiating at?
Have 10+ years of experience. Working my way from the ground up. Supported
university computer lab, Did computer carrier at the pentagon, did 12-8
night shift of computer operator...etc, worked at the IRS, the marriott
(these guys have funky networks) the last 8 years, working at an institution
of sort :) touching all things...lucent, nortel, nokia, ixia, spirent,
juniper, arbor,...etc. The last couple years started to refocus on cisco.
have ccie r&s and all sort of ccxp (np, dp, sp, vp) written ie security, sp,
written ccde :) though...i got the ccnp and ccdp back in 1999 so maybe i
should put ex-ccnp :). Back then with passing, they gave u t-shirt :) for
CCNA too i think. With CCDP, they gave you a black leather porfolio...
Thanks in advance for all inputs.
-Luan
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