From: John Jones (acer0001@gmail.com)
Date: Sat Jun 14 2008 - 01:11:23 ART
Here is a link that show Ethan's answer to the accusations...
http://cciepursuit.wordpress.com/2007/07/24/ethan-banks-passed-ccie-written-at-networks/
"UPDATE 6/5/2008 - The comment I made above has mislead some people to think
I cheated my way through the CCIE written qualification exam... "
For all who are interested.
John
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:52 PM, John Jones <acer0001@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ah c'mon... haven't you ever tried the cabling from the rafters maneuver?
> It works really well - trust me!
>
> John
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Mahaffey, Brian <bmahaffey@pelco.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I agree, where in the world did you learn how to run cable. It is
>> suppose to flow :)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Mike Kraus (mikraus)
>> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:26 AM
>> To: Scott Morris; Luan Nguyen; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
>>
>> "Get Scott really trashed and egg him on about something?" - I think
>> this is an excellent goal of the group.
>>
>> Personally, I think Scott's cable management skills are severely lacking
>> and it puts into question his organizational skills. If you don't
>> believe me: http://smorris.uber-geek.net/lab.htm
>>
>> :D
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Scott Morris
>> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 12:11 PM
>> To: 'Luan Nguyen'; 'Scott Morris'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
>>
>> Now THAT got a good laugh this morning! Thanks for that!
>>
>> I try not to get too angry, but when I do, there is no grey area in
>> wondering whether I'm upset with someone or not! :)
>>
>> So is this the goal now? Get Scott really trashed and egg him on about
>> something? Heheheheh...
>>
>> Life is full of opinions. And everyone has their own because they
>> believe they are right. Some people just aren't very good at expressing
>> their opinions! :)
>>
>> Neutral ground isn't nearly as much fun! In my philosophy classes in
>> college, way back when, I had a teacher wh asked me whether I was
>> deliberately "stalking" another student because I was in the same class
>> they were for three different semesters and no matter what the subject,
>> I would always take the completely opposite stance that they did.
>>
>> It had nothing to do with what I believed was correct back then. It was
>> simply that they were really funny when they got angry or were losing.
>> So yeah, I stalked 'em. :) I've tried to mellow out a bit though. I
>> never took it seriously anyway, but I found that too many other people
>> did (generally those one the losing end, go figure).
>>
>> I didn't think you accusing me, I just wanted to be sure there wasn't
>> confusion there! :) No worries! It's almost the weekend!
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Luan Nguyen
>> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 12:58 PM
>> To: 'Scott Morris'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
>>
>> Always the wise one Master Scott. Didn't mean to come out as acusing
>> you of supporting the little troll :P For that I am sorry.
>> Just that you are always calm and collective and always seem to be able
>> to stay on neutral ground...even at time people badmouthing IPExpert.
>> I want to see you get angry :), come out and say stuffs like...shutup
>> you little troll or else I'll spank you hard :) hehe I guess it would
>> take lots of sushi and sake eh? :P
>>
>> -Luan
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Scott Morris
>> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 12:40 PM
>> To: 'Luan Nguyen'; 'Scott Morris'; 'Joseph Brunner'; 'Anthony Sequeira';
>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
>>
>> I'm not supporting what Robert William's did in crucifying Ethan! Don't
>> get me wrong....
>>
>> And while I appreciate the difference of "looking" at something versus
>> "relying" on them. But like I said, where do you draw the line?
>>
>> We tend to give more "leeway" when someone going for a higher (hands-on)
>> cert that just looks at that material to help them get higher up. Would
>> you look at someone differently who was only going to go as far as their
>> CCNP but had used that material to help them pass the tests?
>>
>> I know that reality gives a lot more grey area than the academic view
>> Robert posted of "he admittied that he cheated therefore he's a
>> cheater", but where does that line get crossed?
>>
>> Why doesn't Cisco go after them? Excellent question, and I'm not the one
>> to answer that! My guess it that it would involve the quantity of money
>> and differing laws in different countries where many of these companies
>> are based. I could be wrong, but I seem to think that TK was a british
>> company.
>> Microsoft tried to go after them a while back but wasn't very successful
>> as I recall.
>>
>> So right, wrong, or indifferent they are going to be around. The
>> difference seems to be do you ONLY know the TK (or other) information,
>> or have you REALLY learned stuff beyond that. And I know the I don't
>> have the time or energy to try to figure that one out with people. ;)
>>
>> *shrug* One of those things in life we will have to deal with in our
>> hiring practices!
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Luan Nguyen
>> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 12:27 PM
>> To: 'Scott Morris'; 'Joseph Brunner'; 'Anthony Sequeira';
>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
>>
>> Is it wrong to look at TK product? I vaguely remember someone posted on
>> one of the board a couple days ago on how to use TK and subscribe to
>> Safari do do a search for solution. If Cisco knows about TK and others,
>> why don't THEY do something about it? Instead letting people like
>> CertGuard making profits by proclaiming themselves protector of the cert
>> virgin.
>> Oh, and admitting to look at TK and others' so called braindump
>> products?
>> Lots of people do - famous one too :)
>>
>> -Luan
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Scott Morris
>> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 12:06 PM
>> To: 'Joseph Brunner'; 'Anthony Sequeira'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
>>
>> I think they are more worried about the idea that people download
>> questions to magically obtain certifications which they may or may not
>> be qualified for.
>>
>> I think we've all seen that. In fact a search of the archives will show
>> many discussions of this over the years in different fashions.
>>
>> So while it's a very real problem, I think the article went a little too
>> far in crucifying Ethan. I really don't know anything about Ethan and
>> haven't ever worked with him, but it seems a little harsh to devalue all
>> he has done
>> based on his posting, but he DID admit to using the TK product! I seem
>> to
>> recall people in here getting flamed for even asking about "real labs"
>> let alone admitting to using them.
>>
>> Where does the line get drawn?
>>
>> Just a thought.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Joseph Brunner
>> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 11:55 AM
>> To: 'Anthony Sequeira'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
>>
>> certguard is afraid of testking because they are too stupid to figure
>> out how to download it...
>>
>> They should be more worried about learning how to use cisco hardware
>> than worrying about what certs other people have...
>>
>> lets see their list certs!
>>
>> Joseph Brunner
>> CCIE, CCDP, CCNP, CCDA, CCNA, MCSE 2003
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Anthony Sequeira
>> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 11:53 AM
>> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
>>
>> This Network World post has a link to a comparison of TestKing and the
>> TESTiT product I helped create for NetMasterClass. The link no longer
>> works.
>> Anyone have access to that comparison?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Anthony J. Sequeira
>> #15626
>> www.freeiestuff.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Paul Cosgrove
>> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:39 AM
>> To: Tony Varriale
>> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
>>
>> Search for Ethan Banks at www.networkworld.com
>>
>> Tony Varriale wrote:
>> > Anyone have a link?
>> >
>> > tv
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of
>> > SAMARTH
>> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 8:55 AM
>> > To: 'Dane Newman'; 'Joseph Brunner'
>> > Cc: 'Isabella Figarella'; 'Gregory Gombas'; 'Sadiq Yakasai'; 'Andy';
>> 'Luan
>> > Nguyen'; 'Brian Dennis'; 'Cisco certification'
>> > Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
>> >
>> > Ethan needs to be supported against baseless attacks. I remember how I
>> was
>> > attacked by an unknown person personally few weeks before for raising
>> my
>> > voice against a vendor.
>> > Anyways truth always triumphs. Hope everything will get sorted.
>> >
>> > Best Wishes.
>> > SAMARTH
>> > CCIE #18535
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of Dane
>> > Newman
>> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 2:36 PM
>> > To: Joseph Brunner
>> > Cc: Isabella Figarella; Gregory Gombas; Sadiq Yakasai; Andy; Luan
>> Nguyen;
>> > Brian Dennis; Cisco certification
>> > Subject: Re: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
>> >
>> > I must also agree and support Ethan on this.
>> >
>> > He did the work. It is documented. Certguard just wants to make a
>> name for
>> > themsevles attacking someone so well known as Ethan.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 1:10 AM, Joseph Brunner
>> <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> what are they attacking him for? sure he was a little slow on getting
>> it
>> > (I
>> >> tracked his progress against mine :-)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I failed a few times, I think he passed on the first try.. so that
>> proves
>> >> slow and steady works. how could they attack him?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Certgard needs to get a life (and a graphic designer, and web
>> designer).
>> >> their home page lacks credibility.and aesthetic quality.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _____
>> >>
>> >> From: Isabella Figarella [mailto:gigi.ccie@gmail.com]
>> >> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 1:01 AM
>> >> To: Joseph Brunner
>> >> Cc: Gregory Gombas; Sadiq Yakasai; Andy; Luan Nguyen; Brian Dennis;
>> Cisco
>> >> certification
>> >> Subject: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The 2 guys at Certguard who claim to have "years of experience" are
>> >> attacking Ethan Banks. I read their bull and visited their site.
>> They
>> > are
>> >> lamers who need to rattle chains to be heard. I guess everyone needs
>> > their
>> >> 15 minutes of fame.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> They imply years of experience it looks like a year of experience and
>>
>> >> barely have any hits on their forum except their own.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> So how to fix it? Attack Ethan Banks the top CCIE Blogger. Anyone
>> else
>> >> think this is just wrong?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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