From: John Jones (acer0001@gmail.com)
Date: Sat Jun 14 2008 - 00:52:33 ART
Ah c'mon... haven't you ever tried the cabling from the rafters maneuver? It
works really well - trust me!
John
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Mahaffey, Brian <bmahaffey@pelco.com>
wrote:
> I agree, where in the world did you learn how to run cable. It is
> suppose to flow :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Mike Kraus (mikraus)
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:26 AM
> To: Scott Morris; Luan Nguyen; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
>
> "Get Scott really trashed and egg him on about something?" - I think
> this is an excellent goal of the group.
>
> Personally, I think Scott's cable management skills are severely lacking
> and it puts into question his organizational skills. If you don't
> believe me: http://smorris.uber-geek.net/lab.htm
>
> :D
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Morris
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 12:11 PM
> To: 'Luan Nguyen'; 'Scott Morris'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
>
> Now THAT got a good laugh this morning! Thanks for that!
>
> I try not to get too angry, but when I do, there is no grey area in
> wondering whether I'm upset with someone or not! :)
>
> So is this the goal now? Get Scott really trashed and egg him on about
> something? Heheheheh...
>
> Life is full of opinions. And everyone has their own because they
> believe they are right. Some people just aren't very good at expressing
> their opinions! :)
>
> Neutral ground isn't nearly as much fun! In my philosophy classes in
> college, way back when, I had a teacher wh asked me whether I was
> deliberately "stalking" another student because I was in the same class
> they were for three different semesters and no matter what the subject,
> I would always take the completely opposite stance that they did.
>
> It had nothing to do with what I believed was correct back then. It was
> simply that they were really funny when they got angry or were losing.
> So yeah, I stalked 'em. :) I've tried to mellow out a bit though. I
> never took it seriously anyway, but I found that too many other people
> did (generally those one the losing end, go figure).
>
> I didn't think you accusing me, I just wanted to be sure there wasn't
> confusion there! :) No worries! It's almost the weekend!
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Luan Nguyen
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 12:58 PM
> To: 'Scott Morris'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
>
> Always the wise one Master Scott. Didn't mean to come out as acusing
> you of supporting the little troll :P For that I am sorry.
> Just that you are always calm and collective and always seem to be able
> to stay on neutral ground...even at time people badmouthing IPExpert.
> I want to see you get angry :), come out and say stuffs like...shutup
> you little troll or else I'll spank you hard :) hehe I guess it would
> take lots of sushi and sake eh? :P
>
> -Luan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Morris
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 12:40 PM
> To: 'Luan Nguyen'; 'Scott Morris'; 'Joseph Brunner'; 'Anthony Sequeira';
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
>
> I'm not supporting what Robert William's did in crucifying Ethan! Don't
> get me wrong....
>
> And while I appreciate the difference of "looking" at something versus
> "relying" on them. But like I said, where do you draw the line?
>
> We tend to give more "leeway" when someone going for a higher (hands-on)
> cert that just looks at that material to help them get higher up. Would
> you look at someone differently who was only going to go as far as their
> CCNP but had used that material to help them pass the tests?
>
> I know that reality gives a lot more grey area than the academic view
> Robert posted of "he admittied that he cheated therefore he's a
> cheater", but where does that line get crossed?
>
> Why doesn't Cisco go after them? Excellent question, and I'm not the one
> to answer that! My guess it that it would involve the quantity of money
> and differing laws in different countries where many of these companies
> are based. I could be wrong, but I seem to think that TK was a british
> company.
> Microsoft tried to go after them a while back but wasn't very successful
> as I recall.
>
> So right, wrong, or indifferent they are going to be around. The
> difference seems to be do you ONLY know the TK (or other) information,
> or have you REALLY learned stuff beyond that. And I know the I don't
> have the time or energy to try to figure that one out with people. ;)
>
> *shrug* One of those things in life we will have to deal with in our
> hiring practices!
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Luan Nguyen
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 12:27 PM
> To: 'Scott Morris'; 'Joseph Brunner'; 'Anthony Sequeira';
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
>
> Is it wrong to look at TK product? I vaguely remember someone posted on
> one of the board a couple days ago on how to use TK and subscribe to
> Safari do do a search for solution. If Cisco knows about TK and others,
> why don't THEY do something about it? Instead letting people like
> CertGuard making profits by proclaiming themselves protector of the cert
> virgin.
> Oh, and admitting to look at TK and others' so called braindump
> products?
> Lots of people do - famous one too :)
>
> -Luan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Morris
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 12:06 PM
> To: 'Joseph Brunner'; 'Anthony Sequeira'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
>
> I think they are more worried about the idea that people download
> questions to magically obtain certifications which they may or may not
> be qualified for.
>
> I think we've all seen that. In fact a search of the archives will show
> many discussions of this over the years in different fashions.
>
> So while it's a very real problem, I think the article went a little too
> far in crucifying Ethan. I really don't know anything about Ethan and
> haven't ever worked with him, but it seems a little harsh to devalue all
> he has done
> based on his posting, but he DID admit to using the TK product! I seem
> to
> recall people in here getting flamed for even asking about "real labs"
> let alone admitting to using them.
>
> Where does the line get drawn?
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Joseph Brunner
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 11:55 AM
> To: 'Anthony Sequeira'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
>
> certguard is afraid of testking because they are too stupid to figure
> out how to download it...
>
> They should be more worried about learning how to use cisco hardware
> than worrying about what certs other people have...
>
> lets see their list certs!
>
> Joseph Brunner
> CCIE, CCDP, CCNP, CCDA, CCNA, MCSE 2003
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Anthony Sequeira
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 11:53 AM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
>
> This Network World post has a link to a comparison of TestKing and the
> TESTiT product I helped create for NetMasterClass. The link no longer
> works.
> Anyone have access to that comparison?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Anthony J. Sequeira
> #15626
> www.freeiestuff.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Paul Cosgrove
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:39 AM
> To: Tony Varriale
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
>
> Search for Ethan Banks at www.networkworld.com
>
> Tony Varriale wrote:
> > Anyone have a link?
> >
> > tv
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > SAMARTH
> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 8:55 AM
> > To: 'Dane Newman'; 'Joseph Brunner'
> > Cc: 'Isabella Figarella'; 'Gregory Gombas'; 'Sadiq Yakasai'; 'Andy';
> 'Luan
> > Nguyen'; 'Brian Dennis'; 'Cisco certification'
> > Subject: RE: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
> >
> > Ethan needs to be supported against baseless attacks. I remember how I
> was
> > attacked by an unknown person personally few weeks before for raising
> my
> > voice against a vendor.
> > Anyways truth always triumphs. Hope everything will get sorted.
> >
> > Best Wishes.
> > SAMARTH
> > CCIE #18535
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of Dane
> > Newman
> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 2:36 PM
> > To: Joseph Brunner
> > Cc: Isabella Figarella; Gregory Gombas; Sadiq Yakasai; Andy; Luan
> Nguyen;
> > Brian Dennis; Cisco certification
> > Subject: Re: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
> >
> > I must also agree and support Ethan on this.
> >
> > He did the work. It is documented. Certguard just wants to make a
> name for
> > themsevles attacking someone so well known as Ethan.
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 1:10 AM, Joseph Brunner
> <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> what are they attacking him for? sure he was a little slow on getting
> it
> > (I
> >> tracked his progress against mine :-)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I failed a few times, I think he passed on the first try.. so that
> proves
> >> slow and steady works. how could they attack him?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Certgard needs to get a life (and a graphic designer, and web
> designer).
> >> their home page lacks credibility.and aesthetic quality.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _____
> >>
> >> From: Isabella Figarella [mailto:gigi.ccie@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 1:01 AM
> >> To: Joseph Brunner
> >> Cc: Gregory Gombas; Sadiq Yakasai; Andy; Luan Nguyen; Brian Dennis;
> Cisco
> >> certification
> >> Subject: CCIE on Trial at NetworkWorld
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The 2 guys at Certguard who claim to have "years of experience" are
> >> attacking Ethan Banks. I read their bull and visited their site.
> They
> > are
> >> lamers who need to rattle chains to be heard. I guess everyone needs
> > their
> >> 15 minutes of fame.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> They imply years of experience it looks like a year of experience and
>
> >> barely have any hits on their forum except their own.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> So how to fix it? Attack Ethan Banks the top CCIE Blogger. Anyone
> else
> >> think this is just wrong?
> >>
> >>
> >>
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