From: R.S.CCIE (r.s.cciestudy@gmail.com)
Date: Mon Jun 09 2008 - 14:43:05 ART
I did not read the job posting in detail. Obviously, I don't even make 90K
as a brand new CCIE. Because my employer don't care what is CCIE or
whatsoever. The original post was to see what is the lowest payrate I should
accept without hurting the CCIE market value. So anyone would pay 90k for a
brand new CCIE(R/S). Please unicast me. I am in it. :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
To: "'EDL'" <r.s.cciestudy@gmail.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 10:28 AM
Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> no... you guys don't pay rent? mortgage? gas? in LA?
>
> It's not a good offer... it's a slickster ex-mortgage executive trying to
> break into IT consulting... 90k? helpdesk folks make that...
>
> I would rather be a life guard on la county beaches, make 30k but feel
> good
> about myself than know I'm being ripped off.
>
> -Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> EDL
> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 1:07 PM
> To: Joseph Brunner
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>
> Is it still a good offer in Los Angeles though ?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> To: "'Gregory Gombas'" <ggombas@gmail.com>
> Cc: "'Jonathan Greenwood II'" <gwood83@gmail.com>; "'Dane Newman'"
> <dane.newman@gmail.com>; "'Brad Ellis'" <brad@ccbootcamp.com>; "'Chris
> Gray'" <chris.gray@ozonenetworks.net>; "'Tony Varriale'"
> <tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 9:57 AM
> Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>
>
>> LOL
>> "90k - 120k"
>>
>> The economy must be worse than the actors on cnbc are harping about....
>>
>>
> http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=302&dockey=xml/1/1/111
>>
> f2df6b717ec01584155f190bb0ba0@endecaindex&source=19&FREE_TEXT=ccie&rating=99
>>
>> and this is a pretty intense job "50% travel" WTF...
>>
>> now tell me what the CCIE is worth...
>>
>> I made more than that when I was a CCNP 2 years ago...
>>
>> -Joe
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gregory Gombas [mailto:ggombas@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:23 AM
>> To: Joseph Brunner
>> Cc: Jonathan Greenwood II; Dane Newman; Brad Ellis; Chris Gray; Tony
>> Varriale; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>>
>> I don't care how big a cut the middleman is taking, as long as I get a
>> fat paycheck at the end of the week!
>>
>> My point is, why bust my ass getting Master certified, when I can't
>> find a company that will use even a tenth of my current skills?
>>
>> I often laugh at the laundry list of job requirements recruiters send
>> me, knowing full well I wouldn't be working on half of those
>> technologies....
>>
>> I'm curious - if I get master certification, will I then move up to
>> creating vlans?
>>
>>
>> On 6/4/08, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
>>> Middlemen (staff augmentation "Consulting" firms, head hunters,
>> recruiters,
>>> gold partners)
>>>
>>> All want to sell their clients the *best*. If this year's best is a guy
>>> a
>>> who is a "master architect" instead of a "internet expert", well all the
>>> better.
>>>
>>> >Many employers are quite content at paying a CCIE big bucks to assign
>>> >IP addresses and configure switch ports all day!
>>>
>>> Learn how the game works.... someone is making money off you...
>>> remember,
>>> what Chris Rock said "Shaq is rich, the guy who signs Shaq's checks is
>>> WEALTHY!!!"
>>>
>>> If you are the *direct* full time employee at a company disregard
>>> this...
>>> If you are making X per your, rest assured you are being billing out
>>> 1.5x
>> to
>>> 5x (or more) per hour for your services....
>>>
>>> I met someone who worked for Uncle Sam. Some defense contractor staff
>>> augmentation firm (like Lockheed Martin, etc) was billing him out at
>>> $600
>>> per hour!!!!
>>>
>>> So if a CCIE is sitting there changing speed and duplex on switch ports
>> all
>>> day, its so some guy can make his $$$ on his connections USING your ass!
>>>
>>> Don't forget that.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Gregory Gombas [mailto:ggombas@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 9:43 AM
>>> To: Jonathan Greenwood II
>>> Cc: Joseph Brunner; Dane Newman; Brad Ellis; Chris Gray; Tony Varriale;
>>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: Re: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>>>
>>> I'm kind of chiming in late here, but why would companies demand a
>>> certification more elite than the CCIE when most companies I have
>>> worked for don't even utilize a fraction of the CCIE's skill set?!?
>>>
>>> Many employers are quite content at paying a CCIE big bucks to assign
>>> IP addresses and configure switch ports all day!
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/3/08, Jonathan Greenwood II <gwood83@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > I don't think the CCIE Certification is anywhere on the ropes.
>>> > There's
>>> > roughly only 20K that's walked this planet to receive this
>>> > certification
>>> > since the the program started in the Mid 90's. That's still not
>>> > enough Certified to go around the globe compared to the # of Company's
>> and
>>> > networks that are out there.
>>> >
>>> > Eventually there will be alot of senior guys retiring within the next
>>> 10yrs
>>> > or so possibly unless they just can't give it up. But a new
>>> > generation
>>> will
>>> > need to pickup where the pioneers have laid the ground work such as a
>>> young
>>> > buck like myself. I think the CCDE and CCMA are place for these
>> veterans
>>> to
>>> > move into as the technology grows to my understanding of what Cisco
>>> intends
>>> > to call the "MASTER" vs "Expert"
>>> >
>>> > Jonathan
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Joseph Brunner
>>> > <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > No.
>>> > >
>>> > > Bad idea...
>>> > >
>>> > > The cert is already distracted and diluted by all the others things
>>> (CCDE,
>>> > > CCMA, etc on the horizon).
>>> > >
>>> > > My clients all ask me "are you going to go for the CCDE". The masses
>> in
>>> IT
>>> > > know the bar has already been raised, and that the CCIE is now on
>>> > > the
>>> > > ropes...
>>> > >
>>> > > -Joe
>>> > >
>>> > > -----Original Message-----
>>> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of
>>> > > Dane
>>> > > Newman
>>> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:04 PM
>>> > > To: Brad Ellis
>>> > > Cc: Chris Gray; Tony Varriale; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> > > Subject: Re: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>>> > >
>>> > > Anyone else think they need to make the CCIE for the different
>>> > > topics
>> a
>>> > > different?
>>> > >
>>> > > Such as..
>>> > >
>>> > > CCVE = Cisco Certified Voice Expert
>>> > > CCSE = Cisco Certifed Security Expert
>>> > > CCRSE = Cisco Certified Routing and Switching Expert
>>> > >
>>> > > ect...
>>> > >
>>> > > If you tell someone your a CCIE they kinda automatically assume your
>>> > > routing
>>> > > and switching
>>> > >
>>> > > And yeah please update the voice lab as Brad said.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Brad Ellis <brad@ccbootcamp.com>
>> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > I concur with that. We are looking to hire an additional CCIE
>>> > > > Voice,
>>> and
>>> > > > it's taking a while to find one. It's pretty easy to get an R&S
>>> > > > CCIE
>>> > > > engineer these days (from a staffing perspective). R&S CCIE is
>>> > > > still
>>> in
>>> > > > great demand, but voice is in even more demand - especially due to
>> the
>>> > > > number of Voice CCIEs that are out there. The only issue I have
>>> > > > with
>>> the
>>> > > > whole Voice CCIE track, is that Cisco is still testing on 4.1. All
>> of
>>> > > > our deployments these days are 6.1. Anyone who >HAD< a 4.1, has
>>> already
>>> > > > upgraded to 5.x or 6.x. I don't have any customers who are running
>>> 4.1.
>>> > > > Hopefully the CCIE lab exam will soon change to reflect
>>> > > > this...BEN?
>> :)
>>> > > >
>>> > > > thanks,
>>> > > > Brad Ellis
>>> > > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>>> > > > CCSI# 30482
>>> > > > CEO / President
>>> > > > CCBOOTCAMP - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO)
>>> > > > Email: brad@ccbootcamp.com
>>> > > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
>>> > > > International: +1-702-968-5100
>>> > > > Sydney, Australia: +61 2 8080 2725
>>> > > > Toronto, Canada: +1-416-238-0441
>>> > > > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
>>> > > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
>>> > > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
>>> > > > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>>> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>>> > > > Behalf
>>> Of
>>> > > > Chris Gray
>>> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:27 AM
>>> > > > To: 'Tony Varriale'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> > > > Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Its not that much better here in the UK. I have years of
>>> > > > experience
>>> > > > (Started
>>> > > > for MFS Datanet in 1994). Have worked on stacks of kit most of
>>> > > > which
>>> has
>>> > > > gone (netedge, Xyplex, Bay, GDC, Cascade, Wellfleet, Stratacom)
>> which
>>> is
>>> > > > why
>>> > > > I am working for this CCIE. Need to keep up with Cisco.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > But in the UK, its hard to get a job in engineering. Pre sales is
>> not
>>> a
>>> > > > problem, but if you want to walk into an MPLS engineering role, at
>>> > > > a
>>> > > > decent
>>> > > > salary rate (#75K and above) its almost impossible.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I engaged a silver partner a few weeks back, they are offering
>>> > > > #65K
>>> for
>>> > > > a
>>> > > > pre sales role, but must have CCIE.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I had a recruitment 'consultant' tell me that CCIE R&S is common,
>>> > > > it
>> s
>>> > > > the
>>> > > > CCIE VOICE I should have. Do these people realise what we put
>>> ourselves
>>> > > > through to get this certification? I bet it s a dam site more than
>>> they
>>> > > > go
>>> > > > through to become a self labelled 'consultant'!
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Anyway, Keep up the good work!
>>> > > >
>>> > > > KRIZ
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>>> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>>> > > > Behalf
>>> Of
>>> > > > Tony
>>> > > > Varriale
>>> > > > Sent: 03 June 2008 16:06
>>> > > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> > > > Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I would rather be in OH at that pay rate. $110k in LA is tough.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Tony
>>> > > >
>>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>>> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>>> > > > Behalf
>>> Of
>>> > > > Morris, Jason L.
>>> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:43 AM
>>> > > > To: R.S. CCIE; Joseph Brunner
>>> > > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> > > > Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I have no idea what the market in LA is like. I live in
>>> > > > Cincinnati
>>> and
>>> > > > was just looking at a 'cost of living calculator', the numbers you
>>> guys
>>> > > > are throwing out are way low for the market here. According to
>>> > > > CNN
>>> > > > Money 110k in LA is worth just a little over 67k in Cincinnati.
>> I've
>>> > > > got 2 guys on my team who just got their CCNA since joining the
>>> company
>>> > > > that are making that.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Is the market in LA really that bad? If so I'll never bitch about
>>> being
>>> > > > stuck in the Midwest ever again.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Jason Morris
>>> > > >
>>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>>> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>>> > > > Behalf
>>> Of
>>> > > > R.S. CCIE
>>> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:51 AM
>>> > > > To: Joseph Brunner
>>> > > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> > > > Subject: Re: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>>> > > >
>>> > > > :-(
>>> > > >
>>> > > > That really hurts ...... Ouch!
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 11:40 PM, Joseph Brunner
>>> > > > <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
>>> > > > wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > You don't find a job at all
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Walk through a big data center all those cabinets/cages there
>> are
>>> a
>>> > > > lot
>>> > > > > of smart hungry tech guys out of work right now
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > You are not alone .
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > -Joe
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > ------------------------------
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > *From:* R.S. CCIE [mailto:r.s.cciestudy@gmail.com]
>>> > > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:34 AM
>>> > > > > *To:* Tony Schaffran (GS)
>>> > > > > *Cc:* Joseph Brunner; Roger; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> > > > > *Subject:* Re: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > What is the worst case scenario though? That is what I like to
>> know
>>> > > > .....
>>> > > > > :-)
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Tony Schaffran (GS) <
>>> > > > > groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com> wrote:
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > A CCIE with no experience, you would be lucky to get $90K
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Tony Schaffran
>>> > > > > Network Analyst
>>> > > > > CCIE #11071
>>> > > > > CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
>>> > > > > NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > www.cconlinelabs.com
>>> > > > > Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>>> > > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>> Behalf
>>> > > > Of
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Joseph Brunner
>>> > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 12:35 AM
>>> > > > > To: 'Roger'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> > > > > Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > I was joking friend...
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > So we do agree!
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > I just finished a 28 hour marathon network overhaul and I'm home
>>> > > > firing up
>>> > > > > dynamips. Don't let your skill set get weakened, even for a few
>>> hours
>>> > > > to
>>> > > > > sleep.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > I was offered a whopping $112k a year for my Jedi skills in NYC
>> just
>>> > > > the
>>> > > > > other day... the economy is $@&ked! That was at a fortune 25
>>> > > > company!!!!
>>> > > > > There are like 1000's of CCIE's out of work... Citigroup, Bear
>>> Sterns,
>>> > > > > BofA,
>>> > > > > Wachovia, Merrill Lynch, Morgan, Hedge funds, these guys are
>>> bleeding
>>> > > > cash
>>> > > > > and are dropping IT engineering staff like there's no
>>> > > > > tomorrow...
>>> lots
>>> > > > of
>>> > > > > smart guys with no dojo looking for work right now...
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > That's about $2800 every two weeks after taxes... that MIGHT
>>> > > > > fill
>> up
>>> > > > my gas
>>> > > > > tank, and put a few groceries in my house... LOL
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Guys, hit the books harder than ever if you want to swim through
>> the
>>> > > > next 3
>>> > > > > or 5 years...
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > -Joe
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>>> > > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>> Behalf
>>> > > > Of
>>> > > > > Roger
>>> > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 3:05 AM
>>> > > > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> > > > > Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Man I hate to disagree with Joseph (and I don't all that often)
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > If you are brand new CCIE, and I see that you have less then 5
>> years
>>> > > > exp
>>> > > > > in large-mid size networks I won't pay better then 110-125 (with
>>> > > > bonus).
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > I have seen about 3-7 CCIE's recent in about the high 18xxx's &
>>> > > > 19xxx's
>>> > > > > they've been able to answer CCIE questions however their real
>> world
>>> > > > > problem solving has made me offer them much less. Reason: if
>>> > > > > they
>> do
>>> > > > not
>>> > > > > have a wide breath of experience (2 of them never worked on
>> Cat65XX)
>>> > > > > more time in training and supporting them will be required from
>>> > > > team/me.
>>> > > > > We had one that said he had worked a lot of 6509's and was a
>>> > > > > nice
>>> guy
>>> > > > so
>>> > > > > I took him to our server room as part of the interview and asked
>> him
>>> > > > > about some of the gear as I pointed it out. He couldn't tell me
>>> which
>>> > > > > blade in the 6509 was the sup.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > HOWEVER if you are going to work for a cisco vendor (gold silver
>>> etc)
>>> > > > or
>>> > > > > you have 6+ years, then Joseph is about right, well I hope he is
>> =)
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Good Journey!
>>> > > > > Roger
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > > -------- Original Message --------
>>> > > > > > Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>>> > > > > > From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
>>> > > > > > Date: Sat, May 31, 2008 10:49 pm
>>> > > > > > To: "'R.S. CCIE'" <r.s.cciestudy@gmail.com>, "'Cisco
>>> certification'"
>>> > > > > > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > $140,000 with 20% bonus in writing.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Anything less and I'll say lance Armstrong has more cajones
>>> > > > > > than
>>> > > > you, LA
>>> > > > > > cabronito Vato!
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
>>> > > > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> > > > Of
>>> > > > > R.S.
>>> > > > > > CCIE
>>> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 1:04 AM
>>> > > > > > To: Cisco certification
>>> > > > > > Subject: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > What would be the minimum offer (as an employee) should a
>>> > > > > > brand
>>> new
>>> > > > CCIE
>>> > > > > > accept without hurting the CCIE prestige ? And this brand new
>> CCIE
>>> > > > only
>>> > > > > has
>>> > > > > > experience on 2600, 3800 routers.....etc. No experience on
>>> > > > > > those
>>> BIG
>>> > > > > horses.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
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