From: Piyoush Sharma (piyoush@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Jun 03 2008 - 18:48:30 ART
Good luck trying to explain the difference!! Especially to a normal non-IT
guy who signs off on whether to present the resume of a CCNA/NP/IE to their
resp. client. Half the job postings I see on boards mention: Certifications
such as CCNA/CCNP/CCIE are good to have OR (this is what kinda gets my blood
boiling...)Required: CCNA; Desired: CCIE!!!
I mean its blasphemous to even mention CCNA and CCIE in the requirement
list....
Just my 2cents (of rant ;))
Piyoush.
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
> But the CCDE isn't a bar above CCIE. It's equivalent to, just regarding
> design versus implementation.
>
> Clients often need to be educated to understand things like that.
>
> Scott
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Joseph Brunner
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:26 PM
> To: 'Dane Newman'; 'Brad Ellis'
> Cc: 'Chris Gray'; 'Tony Varriale'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>
> No.
>
> Bad idea...
>
> The cert is already distracted and diluted by all the others things (CCDE,
> CCMA, etc on the horizon).
>
> My clients all ask me "are you going to go for the CCDE". The masses in IT
> know the bar has already been raised, and that the CCIE is now on the
> ropes...
>
> -Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Dane
> Newman
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:04 PM
> To: Brad Ellis
> Cc: Chris Gray; Tony Varriale; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>
> Anyone else think they need to make the CCIE for the different topics a
> different?
>
> Such as..
>
> CCVE = Cisco Certified Voice Expert
> CCSE = Cisco Certifed Security Expert
> CCRSE = Cisco Certified Routing and Switching Expert
>
> ect...
>
> If you tell someone your a CCIE they kinda automatically assume your
> routing
> and switching
>
> And yeah please update the voice lab as Brad said.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Brad Ellis <brad@ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>
> > I concur with that. We are looking to hire an additional CCIE Voice,
> > and it's taking a while to find one. It's pretty easy to get an R&S
> > CCIE engineer these days (from a staffing perspective). R&S CCIE is
> > still in great demand, but voice is in even more demand - especially
> > due to the number of Voice CCIEs that are out there. The only issue I
> > have with the whole Voice CCIE track, is that Cisco is still testing
> > on 4.1. All of our deployments these days are 6.1. Anyone who >HAD< a
> > 4.1, has already upgraded to 5.x or 6.x. I don't have any customers who
> are running 4.1.
> > Hopefully the CCIE lab exam will soon change to reflect this...BEN? :)
> >
> > thanks,
> > Brad Ellis
> > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> > CCSI# 30482
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of Chris Gray
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:27 AM
> > To: 'Tony Varriale'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> >
> > Its not that much better here in the UK. I have years of experience
> > (Started for MFS Datanet in 1994). Have worked on stacks of kit most
> > of which has gone (netedge, Xyplex, Bay, GDC, Cascade, Wellfleet,
> > Stratacom) which is why I am working for this CCIE. Need to keep up
> > with Cisco.
> >
> > But in the UK, its hard to get a job in engineering. Pre sales is not
> > a problem, but if you want to walk into an MPLS engineering role, at a
> > decent salary rate (#75K and above) its almost impossible.
> >
> > I engaged a silver partner a few weeks back, they are offering #65K
> > for a pre sales role, but must have CCIE.
> >
> > I had a recruitment 'consultant' tell me that CCIE R&S is common, it s
> > the CCIE VOICE I should have. Do these people realise what we put
> > ourselves through to get this certification? I bet it s a dam site
> > more than they go through to become a self labelled 'consultant'!
> >
> > Anyway, Keep up the good work!
> >
> > KRIZ
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of Tony Varriale
> > Sent: 03 June 2008 16:06
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> >
> > I would rather be in OH at that pay rate. $110k in LA is tough.
> >
> > Tony
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of Morris, Jason L.
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:43 AM
> > To: R.S. CCIE; Joseph Brunner
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> >
> > I have no idea what the market in LA is like. I live in Cincinnati
> > and was just looking at a 'cost of living calculator', the numbers you
> > guys are throwing out are way low for the market here. According to
> > CNN Money 110k in LA is worth just a little over 67k in Cincinnati.
> > I've got 2 guys on my team who just got their CCNA since joining the
> > company that are making that.
> >
> > Is the market in LA really that bad? If so I'll never bitch about
> > being stuck in the Midwest ever again.
> >
> > Jason Morris
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of R.S. CCIE
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:51 AM
> > To: Joseph Brunner
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> >
> > :-(
> >
> > That really hurts ...... Ouch!
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 11:40 PM, Joseph Brunner
> > <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > You don't find a job at all
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Walk through a big data center all those cabinets/cages there are
> > > a
> > lot
> > > of smart hungry tech guys out of work right now
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You are not alone .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Joe
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > *From:* R.S. CCIE [mailto:r.s.cciestudy@gmail.com]
> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:34 AM
> > > *To:* Tony Schaffran (GS)
> > > *Cc:* Joseph Brunner; Roger; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > *Subject:* Re: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What is the worst case scenario though? That is what I like to know
> > .....
> > > :-)
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Tony Schaffran (GS) <
> > > groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > A CCIE with no experience, you would be lucky to get $90K
> > >
> > >
> > > Tony Schaffran
> > > Network Analyst
> > > CCIE #11071
> > > CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
> > > NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
> > >
> > > www.cconlinelabs.com
> > > Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> > >
> > > Joseph Brunner
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 12:35 AM
> > > To: 'Roger'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> > >
> > > I was joking friend...
> > >
> > > So we do agree!
> > >
> > > I just finished a 28 hour marathon network overhaul and I'm home
> > firing up
> > > dynamips. Don't let your skill set get weakened, even for a few
> > > hours
> > to
> > > sleep.
> > >
> > > I was offered a whopping $112k a year for my Jedi skills in NYC just
> > the
> > > other day... the economy is $@&ked! That was at a fortune 25
> > company!!!!
> > > There are like 1000's of CCIE's out of work... Citigroup, Bear
> > > Sterns, BofA, Wachovia, Merrill Lynch, Morgan, Hedge funds, these
> > > guys are bleeding
> > cash
> > > and are dropping IT engineering staff like there's no tomorrow...
> > > lots
> > of
> > > smart guys with no dojo looking for work right now...
> > >
> > > That's about $2800 every two weeks after taxes... that MIGHT fill up
> > my gas
> > > tank, and put a few groceries in my house... LOL
> > >
> > > Guys, hit the books harder than ever if you want to swim through the
> > next 3
> > > or 5 years...
> > >
> > > -Joe
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> > > Roger
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 3:05 AM
> > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> > >
> > > Man I hate to disagree with Joseph (and I don't all that often)
> > >
> > > If you are brand new CCIE, and I see that you have less then 5 years
> > exp
> > > in large-mid size networks I won't pay better then 110-125 (with
> > bonus).
> > >
> > >
> > > I have seen about 3-7 CCIE's recent in about the high 18xxx's &
> > 19xxx's
> > > they've been able to answer CCIE questions however their real world
> > > problem solving has made me offer them much less. Reason: if they do
> > not
> > > have a wide breath of experience (2 of them never worked on Cat65XX)
> > > more time in training and supporting them will be required from
> > team/me.
> > > We had one that said he had worked a lot of 6509's and was a nice
> > > guy
> > so
> > > I took him to our server room as part of the interview and asked him
> > > about some of the gear as I pointed it out. He couldn't tell me
> > > which blade in the 6509 was the sup.
> > >
> > > HOWEVER if you are going to work for a cisco vendor (gold silver
> > > etc)
> > or
> > > you have 6+ years, then Joseph is about right, well I hope he is =)
> > >
> > > Good Journey!
> > > Roger
> > >
> > > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > > Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> > > > From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> > > > Date: Sat, May 31, 2008 10:49 pm
> > > > To: "'R.S. CCIE'" <r.s.cciestudy@gmail.com>, "'Cisco certification'"
> > > > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > $140,000 with 20% bonus in writing.
> > > >
> > > > Anything less and I'll say lance Armstrong has more cajones than
> > you, LA
> > > > cabronito Vato!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > > > Behalf
> > Of
> > > R.S.
> > > > CCIE
> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 1:04 AM
> > > > To: Cisco certification
> > > > Subject: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> > > >
> > > > What would be the minimum offer (as an employee) should a brand
> > > > new
> > CCIE
> > > > accept without hurting the CCIE prestige ? And this brand new CCIE
> > only
> > > has
> > > > experience on 2600, 3800 routers.....etc. No experience on those
> > > > BIG
> > > horses.
> > > >
> > > >
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