From: Scott Morris (smorris@ipexpert.com)
Date: Tue Jun 03 2008 - 10:25:27 ART
Hehehehe... It was asked. And that IS the worst case. :)
The hard part is that LA is one of those places where a CCIE is being
treated like a commodity because of the number of them in the area with
little-to-no practical experience. Other places are better, but the best
way to assure yourself a job and a decent payscale (although, isn't $140k
still poverty level in LA?) find a way to separate yourself from all the
rest of the folks out there!
Dare to be different!
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of R.S.
CCIE
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:51 AM
To: Joseph Brunner
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
:-(
That really hurts ...... Ouch!
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 11:40 PM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
wrote:
> You don't find a job at all
>
>
>
> Walk through a big data center all those cabinets/cages there are a
> lot of smart hungry tech guys out of work right now
>
>
>
> You are not alone.
>
>
>
> -Joe
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* R.S. CCIE [mailto:r.s.cciestudy@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:34 AM
> *To:* Tony Schaffran (GS)
> *Cc:* Joseph Brunner; Roger; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> *Subject:* Re: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>
>
>
>
> What is the worst case scenario though? That is what I like to know .....
> :-)
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Tony Schaffran (GS) <
> groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com> wrote:
>
> A CCIE with no experience, you would be lucky to get $90K
>
>
> Tony Schaffran
> Network Analyst
> CCIE #11071
> CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
> NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
>
> www.cconlinelabs.com
> Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
>
> Joseph Brunner
> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 12:35 AM
> To: 'Roger'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>
> I was joking friend...
>
> So we do agree!
>
> I just finished a 28 hour marathon network overhaul and I'm home
> firing up dynamips. Don't let your skill set get weakened, even for a
> few hours to sleep.
>
> I was offered a whopping $112k a year for my Jedi skills in NYC just
> the other day... the economy is $@&ked! That was at a fortune 25
company!!!!
> There are like 1000's of CCIE's out of work... Citigroup, Bear Sterns,
> BofA, Wachovia, Merrill Lynch, Morgan, Hedge funds, these guys are
> bleeding cash and are dropping IT engineering staff like there's no
> tomorrow... lots of smart guys with no dojo looking for work right
> now...
>
> That's about $2800 every two weeks after taxes... that MIGHT fill up
> my gas tank, and put a few groceries in my house... LOL
>
> Guys, hit the books harder than ever if you want to swim through the
> next 3 or 5 years...
>
> -Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of Roger
> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 3:05 AM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
>
> Man I hate to disagree with Joseph (and I don't all that often)
>
> If you are brand new CCIE, and I see that you have less then 5 years
> exp in large-mid size networks I won't pay better then 110-125 (with
bonus).
>
>
> I have seen about 3-7 CCIE's recent in about the high 18xxx's &
> 19xxx's they've been able to answer CCIE questions however their real
> world problem solving has made me offer them much less. Reason: if
> they do not have a wide breath of experience (2 of them never worked
> on Cat65XX) more time in training and supporting them will be required
from team/me.
> We had one that said he had worked a lot of 6509's and was a nice guy
> so I took him to our server room as part of the interview and asked
> him about some of the gear as I pointed it out. He couldn't tell me
> which blade in the 6509 was the sup.
>
> HOWEVER if you are going to work for a cisco vendor (gold silver etc)
> or you have 6+ years, then Joseph is about right, well I hope he is =)
>
> Good Journey!
> Roger
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: RE: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> > From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> > Date: Sat, May 31, 2008 10:49 pm
> > To: "'R.S. CCIE'" <r.s.cciestudy@gmail.com>, "'Cisco certification'"
> > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >
> >
> > $140,000 with 20% bonus in writing.
> >
> > Anything less and I'll say lance Armstrong has more cajones than
> > you, LA cabronito Vato!
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> R.S.
> > CCIE
> > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 1:04 AM
> > To: Cisco certification
> > Subject: CCIE payrate in Los Angeles
> >
> > What would be the minimum offer (as an employee) should a brand new
> > CCIE accept without hurting the CCIE prestige ? And this brand new
> > CCIE only
> has
> > experience on 2600, 3800 routers.....etc. No experience on those BIG
> horses.
> >
> >
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