From: Scott Morris (smorris@ipexpert.com)
Date: Tue Jun 03 2008 - 10:21:39 ART
Now, now... Be nice about it. Facts are more professional than little
snips!
But you're correct in that being a public forums that allows for some good
and bad commentary. Either way though, it should still be professional!
Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE-M
#153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
Fax: +1.810.454.0130
http://www.ipexpert.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua [mailto:jnccia@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 1:08 AM
To: 'Paul Borghese'; cisco@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com;
peter@avient.ca; smorris@ipexpert.com
Cc: 'Narbik Kocharians'
Subject: RE: BootCamp recommend
Actually, give it your best shot Paul. I highly doubt that will you get
anywhere. Do you think any company is going to risk liability or civil
lawsuit against them, just because you did not like what someone said about
your class??? What freakin planet do you live on???
When you create a forum that allows for even the opinions about experiences
with various training vendors, when others ask, you legally open the door
for those opinions. Good and bad. So, go ahead, subpoena
away genius.
By the way, I did contact you, last year. I did inform you about just how
poor the quality of the class was in reality. All you offered was a retake.
Why in the hell would I want to retake a class that was absolutely the worst
that I have ever experienced? I got more out of Narbik's or Netmaster's one
week classes than I did in six weeks with yours. Not to mention, you did
not have class evaluations, let alone ones that were "similar" to that of
Cisco. By the way, the evaluations that Cisco uses are independently
reviewed.
Yours are not. You review your own evals. So, how in the hell would I know
that you did not have class evals, IF I HAVE NOT TAKEN YOUR CLASS!!!!
Cowardly??? This is because you have a habit of blocking email accounts if
someone states anything negative about your class. If you don't like someone
imparting a negative review of your class, then step up and deliver a class
with real professional quality.
Fake email??? Nothing fake about it. It works. Oh, you mean my real
name.... Well this is because I like protecting my name and privacy on the
internet, REGARDLESS of the nature of the forum.
Six weeks, going from CCNP to CCIE, as your ad professes???? Am I the only
one who thinks this is horse&@($??? Present a student that went from CCNP
level experience to CCIE in six weeks!!!!!
Another Narbik "stunt"??? You people who believe this sure are full of
yourself. Why not a "NETMASTER" stunt as well, geniuses. I must be working
for both vendors.
Jesus people, did anyone ever think that some things are just what they
really are? Or does no one actually think for themselves and are just too
busy playing politics and sucking up???
Proof? How the hell do you provide "real" proof via a forum and emails???
More hearsay? Proof? Its my opinion!!! For those who don't understand the
definition, look it up. Don't like my opinion, too bad. It is what I
experienced with CertScience. In this thread, all I said was, "stay away".
Hardly slamming.
But, I can get very detailed about my experience with the curriculum, the
labs and the instructor if you like. I have no issues with this.
If you dont like what you read about your class, then don't allow the
question on an open forum that would include opinions about different
vendors.
Grow up!!!!!!
Josh N
jnccia@gmail.com
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com
[mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Paul Borghese
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 12:43 PM
To: cisco@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: BootCamp recommend
Nobody named "Josh N." has ever taken a course from Certification Science.
A few former students of mine have been asking why I have not responded to
this joker. In a nutshell, I have not worried about it. Most CCIE students
are smart enough to realize it is a faked e-mail account designed to hurt
our program and should not be taken seriously. If it gets bad enough, we
have a procedure to subpoena the IP address and find out the real identity.
A real student would have contacted us directly with their concerns instead
of cowardly using fake e-mail accounts to slam us on a public forum.
I will be more then happy to give interested parties the names and contact
information of people who have attended our program this year. Heck, if I
can get permission to do so, I will give you the names of every student who
has attended our program this year and you can obtain as many opinions as
desired.
We have also started using Metrics that Matter for student evaluations which
most Cisco Certified programs use. I would be more then happy to compare
our evaluation metrics to ANY competitor.
Paul Borghese
http://www.certscience.com
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com
[mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Joshua
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 5:51 PM
To: 'Robert Bernal - ControSat'
Cc: cisco@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: BootCamp recommend
I don't know anything about Cyscoexpert. Nor do I know of anyone who taken a
class from this company. I have been to Narbiks, NetMasters and Cer
tscience. First two are great; the last one stay away from. Narbik and
NetMasters have two different approaches. NetMaster is very scientific in
their approach. I.E., as if they
are scientists, but top notch. Narbik is very good,
workbooks are extremely thorough, and he is like the "rainman" of the CLI,
as far as I am concerned.
I also have friends that have had nothing but great things to say about
IPExperts and IE, but I don't have personal experience.
Josh N
jnccia@gmail.com
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com
[mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Robert Bernal - ControSat
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 4:03 PM
To: 'Joseph Brunner'; 'Dane Newman'
Cc: 'Narbik Kocharians'; 'Ramya S';
cisco@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: BootCamp recommend
What's going on, I ask your opinion and nobody did a go answer It this place
for fun?
Regards.
-----Mensaje original-----
De: nobody@groupstudy.com
[mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] En nombre de Joseph
Brunner
Enviado el: Friday, May 30, 2008 1:21 PM
Para: 'Dane Newman'
CC: 'Narbik Kocharians'; 'Ramya S'; 'Robert Bernal -
ControSat';
cisco@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Asunto: RE: BootCamp recommend
Its ny dude, $200k
_____
From: Dane Newman [mailto:dane.newman@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 2:19 PM
To: Joseph Brunner
Cc: Narbik Kocharians; Ramya S; Robert Bernal -
ControSat;
cisco@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: BootCamp recommend
Damnit where is the new york bootcamp when I sat for my
exam ;(
I guess Joseph is going to tell the ladies "see that
table of geeky looking
guys. Each of them is going to be making over 100k+
soon."
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Joseph Brunner
<joe@affirmedsystems.com>
wrote:
Yeah Narbik never did that!
I'm the perennial goop self promoter here!
Take my bootcamp this July!... It's not in some two bit
horse town, its in
the middle of New York City, near grand central
station!
I'll even take you out drinking afterwards, and bring
ladies over to our
table and get them drunk and have them make out with
you!
-Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com
[mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Narbik Kocharians
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 12:19 PM
To: Ramya S
Cc: Robert Bernal - ControSat; cisco@groupstudy.com;
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: BootCamp recommend
Narbik never did that
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 6:20 AM, Ramya S
<ramya_1975@hotmail.com> wrote:
> All of them are good. Which Track do you want a
bootcamp for? Browse
> through
> all the threads of groupstudy you will find the
answer.
> Hope Narabik is not tunneling through again to do
some 007 marketing.
>
> Ramya
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > From: robert.bernal@hotmail.com> To:
cisco@groupstudy.com> CC:
> ccielab@groupstudy.com> Subject: BootCamp recommend>
Date: Fri, 30 May
> 2008
> 08:06:08 -0500> > Hello all, im looking for go
Bootcamp ,I see some
options
> but I don't know> which will be the best . What do
you guys recommend?> >
> > >
> - InternetworkExperts> > - CCBOOTCAMP> > -
Cyscoexpert> > > > > > > >
> Regards>
> > >
>
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