From: Joshua (jnccia@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Jun 03 2008 - 02:07:43 ART
Actually, give it your best shot Paul. I highly doubt
that will you get anywhere. Do you think any company
is going to risk liability or civil lawsuit against
them, just because you did not like what someone said
about your class??? What freakin planet do you live
on???
When you create a forum that allows for even the
opinions about experiences with various training
vendors, when others ask, you legally open the door for
those opinions. Good and bad. So, go ahead, subpoena
away genius.
By the way, I did contact you, last year. I did inform
you about just how poor the quality of the class was in
reality. All you offered was a retake. Why in the
hell would I want to retake a class that was absolutely
the worst that I have ever experienced? I got more out
of Narbik's or Netmaster's one week classes than I did
in six weeks with yours. Not to mention, you did not
have class evaluations, let alone ones that were
"similar" to that of Cisco. By the way, the
evaluations that Cisco uses are independently reviewed.
Yours are not. You review your own evals. So, how in
the hell would I know that you did not have class
evals, IF I HAVE NOT TAKEN YOUR CLASS!!!!
Cowardly??? This is because you have a habit of
blocking email accounts if someone states anything
negative about your class. If you don't like someone
imparting a negative review of your class, then step up
and deliver a class with real professional quality.
Fake email??? Nothing fake about it. It works. Oh,
you mean my real name.... Well this is because I like
protecting my name and privacy on the internet,
REGARDLESS of the nature of the forum.
Six weeks, going from CCNP to CCIE, as your ad
professes???? Am I the only one who thinks this is
horse&@($??? Present a student that went from CCNP
level experience to CCIE in six weeks!!!!!
Another Narbik "stunt"??? You people who believe this
sure are full of yourself. Why not a "NETMASTER" stunt
as well, geniuses. I must be working for both vendors.
Jesus people, did anyone ever think that some things
are just what they really are? Or does no one actually
think for themselves and are just too busy playing
politics and sucking up???
Proof? How the hell do you provide "real" proof via a
forum and emails??? More hearsay? Proof? Its my
opinion!!! For those who don't understand the
definition, look it up. Don't like my opinion, too
bad. It is what I experienced with CertScience. In this
thread, all I said was, "stay away". Hardly slamming.
But, I can get very detailed about my experience with
the curriculum, the labs and the instructor if you
like. I have no issues with this.
If you dont like what you read about your class, then
don't allow the question on an open forum that would
include opinions about different vendors.
Grow up!!!!!!
Josh N
jnccia@gmail.com
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com
[mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Borghese
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 12:43 PM
To: cisco@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: BootCamp recommend
Nobody named "Josh N." has ever taken a course from
Certification Science.
A few former students of mine have been asking why I
have not responded to
this joker. In a nutshell, I have not worried about
it. Most CCIE students
are smart enough to realize it is a faked e-mail
account designed to hurt
our program and should not be taken seriously. If it
gets bad enough, we
have a procedure to subpoena the IP address and find
out the real identity.
A real student would have contacted us directly with
their concerns instead
of cowardly using fake e-mail accounts to slam us on a
public forum.
I will be more then happy to give interested parties
the names and contact
information of people who have attended our program
this year. Heck, if I
can get permission to do so, I will give you the names
of every student who
has attended our program this year and you can obtain
as many opinions as
desired.
We have also started using Metrics that Matter for
student evaluations which
most Cisco Certified programs use. I would be more
then happy to compare
our evaluation metrics to ANY competitor.
Paul Borghese
http://www.certscience.com
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com
[mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Joshua
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 5:51 PM
To: 'Robert Bernal - ControSat'
Cc: cisco@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: BootCamp recommend
I don't know anything about Cyscoexpert. Nor do I know
of anyone who taken a class from this company. I have
been to Narbiks, NetMasters and Cer tscience. First
two are great; the last one stay away from. Narbik and
NetMasters have two different approaches. NetMaster is
very scientific in their approach. I.E., as if they
are scientists, but top notch. Narbik is very good,
workbooks are extremely thorough, and he is like the
"rainman" of the CLI, as far as I am concerned.
I also have friends that have had nothing but great
things to say about IPExperts and IE, but I don't have
personal experience.
Josh N
jnccia@gmail.com
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com
[mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Bernal - ControSat
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 4:03 PM
To: 'Joseph Brunner'; 'Dane Newman'
Cc: 'Narbik Kocharians'; 'Ramya S';
cisco@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: BootCamp recommend
What's going on, I ask your opinion and nobody did a go
answer
It this place for fun?
Regards.
-----Mensaje original-----
De: nobody@groupstudy.com
[mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] En nombre de Joseph
Brunner
Enviado el: Friday, May 30, 2008 1:21 PM
Para: 'Dane Newman'
CC: 'Narbik Kocharians'; 'Ramya S'; 'Robert Bernal -
ControSat';
cisco@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Asunto: RE: BootCamp recommend
Its ny dude, $200k
_____
From: Dane Newman [mailto:dane.newman@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 2:19 PM
To: Joseph Brunner
Cc: Narbik Kocharians; Ramya S; Robert Bernal -
ControSat;
cisco@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: BootCamp recommend
Damnit where is the new york bootcamp when I sat for my
exam ;(
I guess Joseph is going to tell the ladies "see that
table of geeky looking
guys. Each of them is going to be making over 100k+
soon."
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Joseph Brunner
<joe@affirmedsystems.com>
wrote:
Yeah Narbik never did that!
I'm the perennial goop self promoter here!
Take my bootcamp this July!... It's not in some two bit
horse town, its in
the middle of New York City, near grand central
station!
I'll even take you out drinking afterwards, and bring
ladies over to our
table and get them drunk and have them make out with
you!
-Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com
[mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Narbik Kocharians
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 12:19 PM
To: Ramya S
Cc: Robert Bernal - ControSat; cisco@groupstudy.com;
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: BootCamp recommend
Narbik never did that
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 6:20 AM, Ramya S
<ramya_1975@hotmail.com> wrote:
> All of them are good. Which Track do you want a
bootcamp for? Browse
> through
> all the threads of groupstudy you will find the
answer.
> Hope Narabik is not tunneling through again to do
some 007 marketing.
>
> Ramya
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > From: robert.bernal@hotmail.com> To:
cisco@groupstudy.com> CC:
> ccielab@groupstudy.com> Subject: BootCamp recommend>
Date: Fri, 30 May
> 2008
> 08:06:08 -0500> > Hello all, im looking for go
Bootcamp ,I see some
options
> but I don't know> which will be the best . What do
you guys recommend?> >
> > >
> - InternetworkExperts> > - CCBOOTCAMP> > -
Cyscoexpert> > > > > > > >
> Regards>
> > >
>
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