From: Scott Morris (smorris@ipexpert.com)
Date: Mon Jun 02 2008 - 17:42:00 ART
While it's often amusing to watch different vendor wars, it's also a little
disconcerting how quickly people make assumptions and assertions pretending
they are facts...
It's good to know that Josh was not a customer of Paul's. Point taken,
don't believe the disservice there about anything bad for CertScience.
However, just because Narbik was indeed praised (should I remind you to read
that NMC was as well?) does NOT mean that Narbik is infiltrating the group
with marketing folks and fake accounts.
While I have to admit I've never had the need to attend any of Narbik's
classes, I have seen his level of professionalism over the years and
stooping to that level does not jive with that. The same holds true for the
folks of NMC.
So let's keep things on the more professional level and say whatever you
feel like about the guy who expressed his opinion (perhaps it's third-party
opinions?), but not make any rash conclusions based on that. I don't care
what vendor we are talking about here, but I'm sure everyone's been on both
sides of this excitement time or again.
Back to the more exciting technical stuff!
Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE-M
#153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Ramya S
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 2:14 PM
To: Paul Borghese; cisco@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: BootCamp recommend
Paul, Keep up your good work which is helping many ccie candidates. Hope you
can release a workbook soon. Just ignore those messages, they are some
marketing guys of Narabik. Certscience program is very well designed and one
of the best along with all the other companies out there.
Dr Ramya Sen
> From: pborghese@groupstudy.com> To: cisco@groupstudy.com;
ccielab@groupstudy.com> Subject: RE: BootCamp recommend> Date: Mon, 2 Jun
2008
12:42:57 -0400> > Nobody named "Josh N." has ever taken a course from
Certification Science.> > A few former students of mine have been asking why
I have not responded to> this joker. In a nutshell, I have not worried about
it.
Most CCIE students> are smart enough to realize it is a faked e-mail account
designed to hurt> our program and should not be taken seriously. If it gets
bad enough, we> have a procedure to subpoena the IP address and find out the
real identity.> A real student would have contacted us directly with their
concerns instead> of cowardly using fake e-mail accounts to slam us on a
public forum.> > I will be more then happy to give interested parties the
names and contact> information of people who have attended our program this
year. Heck, if I> can get permission to do so, I will give you the names of
every student who> has attended our program this year and you can obtain as
many opinions as> desired.> > We have also started using Metrics that Matter
for student evaluations which> most Cisco Certified programs use. I would be
more then happy to compare> our evaluation metrics to ANY competitor.> >
Paul
Borghese> http://www.certscience.com> > > > > > > > -----Original
Message-----> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]
Message-----> On
Behalf Of> Joshua> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 5:51 PM> To: 'Robert Bernal -
ControSat'> Cc: cisco@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com> Subject: RE:
BootCamp recommend> > I don't know anything about Cyscoexpert. Nor do I
know> of anyone who taken a class from this company. I have> been to
Narbiks, NetMasters and Cer tscience. First> two are great; the last one
stay away from. Narbik and> NetMasters have two different approaches.
NetMaster is> very scientific in their approach. I.E., as if they> are
scientists, but top notch.
Narbik is very good,> workbooks are extremely thorough, and he is like the>
"rainman" of the CLI, as far as I am concerned.> > I also have friends that
have had nothing but great> things to say about IPExperts and IE, but I
don't
have> personal experience.> > Josh N> jnccia@gmail.com> > >
have> -----Original
Message-----> From: nobody@groupstudy.com>
Message-----> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
Behalf Of Robert> Bernal - ControSat> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 4:03 PM>
To:
'Joseph Brunner'; 'Dane Newman'> Cc: 'Narbik Kocharians'; 'Ramya S';>
cisco@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com> Subject: RE: BootCamp
recommend>
> What's going on, I ask your opinion and nobody did a go> answer > It
> this
place for fun?> > > Regards.> > -----Mensaje original-----> De:
nobody@groupstudy.com> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] En nombre de Joseph>
Brunner> Enviado el: Friday, May 30, 2008 1:21 PM> Para: 'Dane Newman'> CC:
'Narbik Kocharians'; 'Ramya S'; 'Robert Bernal -> ControSat';>
cisco@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com> Asunto: RE: BootCamp
recommend>
> Its ny dude, $200k> > > > _____ > > From: Dane Newman
[mailto:dane.newman@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 2:19 PM> To:
Joseph Brunner> Cc: Narbik Kocharians; Ramya S; Robert Bernal -> ControSat;>
cisco@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com> Subject: Re: BootCamp
recommend>
> > > Damnit where is the new york bootcamp when I sat for my> exam ;(>
> > > > > >
I guess Joseph is going to tell the ladies "see that> table of geeky
looking> guys. Each of them is going to be making over 100k+> soon."> > On
Fri, May 30,
2008 at 12:25 PM, Joseph Brunner> <joe@affirmedsystems.com>> wrote:> > Yeah
Narbik never did that!> > I'm the perennial goop self promoter here!> > Take
my bootcamp this July!... It's not in some two bit> horse town, its in> the
middle of New York City, near grand central> station!> > I'll even take you
out drinking afterwards, and bring> ladies over to our> table and get them
drunk and have them make out with> you!> > -Joe> > > -----Original
Message-----> From: nobody@groupstudy.com>
Message-----> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
Behalf Of> Narbik Kocharians> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 12:19 PM> To: Ramya
S> Cc: Robert Bernal - ControSat; cisco@groupstudy.com;>
ccielab@groupstudy.com> Subject: Re: BootCamp recommend> > Narbik never did
that> > On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 6:20 AM, Ramya S>
that> > <ramya_1975@hotmail.com>
wrote:> > > All of them are good. Which Track do you want a> bootcamp for?
Browse> > through> > all the threads of groupstudy you will find the>
Browse> > through> > answer.>
> Hope Narabik is not tunneling through again to do> some 007
> marketing.> >> >
Ramya> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > From: robert.bernal@hotmail.com> To:>
cisco@groupstudy.com> CC:> > ccielab@groupstudy.com> Subject: BootCamp
recommend>> Date: Fri, 30 May> > 2008> > 08:06:08 -0500> > Hello all, im
looking for go> Bootcamp ,I see some> options> > but I don't know> which
will be the best . What do> you guys recommend?> >> > > >> > -
InternetworkExperts>
> - CCBOOTCAMP> > -> Cyscoexpert> > > > > > > >> > Regards>> > > >> >>
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