From: Salau, Yemi (yemi.salau@siemens.com)
Date: Fri May 23 2008 - 12:40:40 ART
You know what .. one thing is knowing something really well, another is
explaining it. So, as CCNA, are you obliged to know or to explain?
Whenever a Customer site goes down, which will you be interested in?
someone to fix the problem or another who can explain the problem?
I've come across a very technical consultant who has 25years working
experience in this field, he can read RFCs in-&-out of the palms of his
hands. But, he wouldn't get his "hands dirty" as some of us do. He knows
all the theories thereis behind most of this TCP/IP concepts and if you
put him in front of a L2/L3 Broadcast Storm issue, he wouldn't be able
to troubleshoot and fix things.
It depends on which angle you look from really, but I would expect a
CCIE to explain things in a better way than a CCNA, not necessary too
technical though.
Many Thanks
Yemi Salau
________________________________
From: Rik Guyler [mailto:rik@guyler.net]
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 3:43 PM
To: 'Marc La Porte'; Salau, Yemi
Cc: 'Scott Morris'; 'Isabella Figarella'; 'Dane Newman'; 'keith tokash';
tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: Interview question (was :RE: CCIE# 20863)
That's a pretty good approach. I've always believed that if somebody
truly understands a subject then that person should be able to explain
it in easily understood terms to a layman.
I explained this my wife one day when she was gushing about how her
company IT guys were geniuses (I knew better from previous accounts of
their adventures) and they really knew their stuff. She came back a
week later with a different opinion. Now she knows how to separate out
the chaff.
So according to my criteria if I could explain traceroute to my wife to
where she understood it then I would know how traceroute works pretty
well. Even the simple things aren't always so simple.
Rik
From: Marc La Porte [mailto:marc.a.laporte@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 3:01 AM
To: Salau, Yemi
Cc: Scott Morris; Isabella Figarella; Rik Guyler; Dane Newman; keith
tokash; tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: Interview question (was :RE: CCIE# 20863)
My experience is that starting with a simple question is the best
approach. A lot of people don't know their basics. Let them explain
(extended) ping or traceroute. By their type of language used (the
quality of their answer) you can deduct knowlegde of the person. Then
pick a topic from his resume. If he's done a lot with BGP ask him
something simple there. If he answers correctly, ask him what the most
difficult thing is he troubeshooted with BGP. Extrapolate from there (if
need be)...
Like I said, I have seen a lot of people who claim they have a lot of
experience fail miserably trying to explain ping or traceroute, or why
you would use a sub-interface with Frame Relay, or what the effects are
of classful routing, or what the differences are between link-state and
routing-by-rumor, etc.
Asking the crazy question usually doesn't work. It doesn't give you a
good insight into someone abilities
My 0.02
Marc
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Salau, Yemi <yemi.salau@siemens.com>
wrote:
How about "explain the ipv6 stateless autoconfiguration process"? or
even DHCP, ARP Process?
Many Thanks
Yemi Salau
________________________________
From: nobody@groupstudy.com on behalf of Scott Morris
Sent: Fri 23/05/2008 00:52
To: 'Isabella Figarella'; 'Rik Guyler'
Cc: 'Dane Newman'; 'keith tokash'; tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com; 'Cisco
certification'
Subject: RE: Interview question (was :RE: CCIE# 20863)
Just playing along here.... But if I saw that someone got their CCNA
back
in 1999, I would still ask them a BGP question. Whether it was on their
exam or not, the next questions would revolve around the "what have you
been
doing to increase your knowledge in the last nine years?!?!"
Scott
_____
From: Isabella Figarella [mailto:gigi.ccie@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 7:16 PM
To: Rik Guyler
Cc: Dane Newman; Scott Morris; keith tokash; tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com;
Cisco certification
Subject: Re: Interview question (was :RE: CCIE# 20863)
I do not recall any BGP in the 1999 version of the CCNA exam.
Nope note there - see below.
Are you sure you are being fair to a CCNA job candidate by asking
something
a CCNA student is not even taught, and especially not taught in 1999?
It does reflect one's pedigree.
Here is 640-407 - the exam of the day
The course covers the topics you need to review for the CCNA exam
including:
* Understanding the Internetworking Model, the OSI Model, features
of
Cisco routers, switches and hubs
* Comprehending TCP/IP Protocol Suite Overview including ARP,
RARP,
and ICMP Messages
* Describe the major features, functions, and benefits of Cisco
routers, switches, and hubs
* Getting started with Cisco IOS software including router basics,
user and privileged mode, Cisco discover mode, IOS naming conventions,
and
loading IOS from ROM
* Recognize the configuration commands necessary to configure
Cisco
IOS features
* Perform the steps required to log in to the router, use help,
and
use editing features
* Perform the steps required to examine router status and
configure a
Cisco router
* Describe the router startup sequence and load sources
* Perform an initial configuration using the setup mode
* Describe the procedures for working with configuration files
* Perform the steps required to configure the routers'
identification
* Describe the features and operation of the two primary
configuration
modes
* Identify the functions of the TCP/IP network and transport-layer
protocols
* Perform the steps required to configure RIP and IGRP in an IP
routing environment
* Describe the steps required to configure Novell RIP in an IPX
routing environment
* Describe the steps required to configure Frame Relay and X.25 on
a
Cisco router
* Describe the commands used to verify and troubleshoot feature
operation
* Describe the steps required to initially configure a Cisco
switch
and hub product
* Describe the steps required to configure ISDN BRI
* Describe the steps required to configure a VLAN segment
Here is the 640-607
The course covers the topics you need to review for the CCNA exam
including:
* Understanding the Internetworking Model, the OSI Model, Cisco
Hierarchical Model, Assembling and Cabling Cisco Devices
* Selecting Cisco routers, switches and hubs. Switching
Technologies
* Internet protocol, TCP/IP Protocol Suite Overview including IP
Addressing and Subnetting
* Getting started with Cisco IOS software including router basics
and
Command Line Interface
* Gathering Basic Router Information, Setting the Passwords,
Banners,
Router Interfaces, Hostname, Viewing/Saving and Verifying Router
Configuration
* IP Routing, Static Routing, Default Routing, Dynamic Routing,
Routing Protocols, Routing Loops, Routing Information Protocol (RIP),
Configuring RIP, IGRP, IGRP Routing Tables
* Virtual LAN, Static, Dynamic VLANs, Trunking
* Managing Cisco Internetwork, Boot Sequence, Configuring
Registers,
Recovering Passwords
* Backing Up and Restoring Cisco IOS, Upgrading IOS
* Backing Up and Restoring Cisco Configuration, Earsing the
Configuration
* Using Cisco Discovery Protocol, Using Telnet, Resolving
Hostnames,
Checking Network Connectivity
* Configuring Novell IPX, Enabling IPX on Cisco Routers,
Configuring
Internetwork with IPX
* Managing Traffic with Access Lists
* Wide Area Network Protocols, HDLC, PPP, Frame Relay, ISDN, DDR
* Configuring the Catalyst 1900 Switch, Features of 1900 Switch,
1900
Switch Startup, Cisco 1900 IOS Configuration Commands
* Describe the steps required to configure Frame Relay and X.25 on
a
Cisco router
* Describe the commands used to verify and troubleshoot feature
operation
* Describe the steps required to initially configure a Cisco
switch
and hub product
* Describe the steps required to configure ISDN BRI
* Describe the steps required to configure a VLAN segment
Here's 640-801
Planning & Designing
* Design a simple LAN using Cisco Technology
* Design an IP addressing scheme to meet design requirements
* Select an appropriate routing protocol based on user
requirements
* Design a simple internetwork using Cisco technology
* Develop an access list to meet user specifications
* Choose WAN services to meet customer requirements
Implementation & Operation
* Configure routing protocols given user requirements
* Configure IP addresses, subnet masks, and gateway addresses on
routers and hosts
* Configure a router for additional administrative functionality
* Configure a switch with VLANS and inter-switch communication
* Implement a LAN
* Customize a switch configuration to meet specified network
requirements
* Manage system image and device configuration files
* Perform an initial configuration on a router
* Perform an initial configuration on a switch
* Implement access lists
* Implement simple WAN protocols
Troubleshooting
* Utilize the OSI model as a guide for systematic network
troubleshooting
* Perform LAN and VLAN troubleshooting
* Troubleshoot routing protocols
* Troubleshoot IP addressing and host configuration
* Troubleshoot a device as part of a working network
* Troubleshoot an access list
* Perform simple WAN troubleshooting
Technology
* Describe network communications using layered models
* Describe the Spanning Tree process
* Compare and contrast key characteristics of LAN environments
* Evaluate the characteristics of routing protocols
* Evaluate TCP/IP communication process and its associated
protocols
* Describe the components of network devices
* Evaluate rules for packet control
* Evaluate key characteristics of WANs
On 5/21/08, Rik Guyler <rik@guyler.net> wrote:
Damn...that about made me blow my milk and cookies all over the monitor!
;-)
For me, that's not a tough question at all - No. But then again I'm
currently gainfully employed. ;-)
Rik
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Dane
Newman
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 7:43 PM
To: Scott Morris
Cc: keith tokash; <tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com>; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: Interview question (was :RE: CCIE# 20863)
I don't know about you guys but the hardest interview question I was
ask is will you take ten percent less then your making now
Sent from my iPhone
On May 20, 2008, at 5:13 PM, "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
> Heheheheh... Stepping past boundaries has always been a specialty
> of mine!
> (grin)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> keith tokash
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 4:37 PM
> To: tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com
> Cc: 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: Interview question (was :RE: CCIE# 20863)
>
> Nah, I don't believe in torturing interviewees. Just a probe. Some
> people
> can cough up the answer and have no idea what it means, some people
> can't
> answer it, some are almost insulted you asked and springboard into
> solid
> detail. It's a nice soft question to gauge whether you need to ask
> any more
> questions in that area or should just move on tactfully. After all,
> you
> never know exactly where a boundary is until you step past it.
>
> With a few exceptions, secrecy is deeply incompatible with democracy
> and
> with science.
> --Carl Sagan
>
>> From: tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com
>> To: ktokash@hotmail.com
>> CC: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: CCIE# 20863
>> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:58:42 -0500
>>
>>
>> I think the point is that you can cough up that statement at will
>> during an interview...but when you are reading your first CCNA book,
>> that BGP statement probably doesn't make a ton of sense.
>>
>> And that goes back to my initial statement...a typical CCNA doesn't
>> really understand how BGP works.
>>
>> If that's what you consider fun in CCNA interviews...well...I'm not
>> sure what to say.
>>
>> BTW, there are regex tools out there to meet your requirements in 30
> seconds
>> or less (for your CCIEs).
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of keith tokash
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 2:38 PM
>> To: Roger; Tony Varriale
>> Cc: 'Cisco certification'
>> Subject: RE: CCIE# 20863
>>
>> Hahaha, intricacies yes. But I believe they drum, "BGP uses AS-PATH
>> to avoid loops" into every CCNA student's head. At least they did
>> when I got mine
> in
>> 1999, and I hear it's much harder nowadays. I don't really worry if
>> they don't know that since we don't hire entry-level people with the
>> intention
> of
>> having them tune/load-balance our BGP, but it's nice to poke and
>> probe
>> a candidate's boundaries.
>>
>> With a few exceptions, secrecy is deeply incompatible with democracy
>> and with science.
>> --Carl Sagan
>>
>>> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 12:31:15 -0700
>>> From: divineone@divine-wind.net
>>> Subject: RE: CCIE# 20863
>>> To: tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com
>>> CC: ccielab@groupstudy.com; ktokash@hotmail.com
>>>
>>> You don't know keith
>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> Subject: RE: CCIE# 20863
>>>> From: "Tony Varriale" <tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com>
>>>> Date: Tue, May 20, 2008 12:09 pm
>>>> To: "'keith tokash'" <ktokash@hotmail.com>
>>>> Cc: "'Cisco certification'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think expecting a typcial CCNA to know the intricacies of a
>>>> protocol
>> is
>> a
>>>> bit over zealous, no?
>>>>
>>>> Tony
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>>>> Behalf Of keith tokash
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 1:13 PM
>>>> To: theKonqueror; A.G. Ananth Sarma (GMail)
>>>> Cc: Cisco certification
>>>> Subject: RE: CCIE# 20863
>>>>
>>>> Good move. When I see CCNA on a resume my mind jumps to interview
>> questions
>>>> like, "what is BGP's loop prevention mechanism?" When I see CCIE
>>>> on a resume it jumps to, "what's the regex to filter transit
>>>> routes from our ISPs,
>> and
>>>> if
>>>> we didn't want to use a regex, how else could we filter?"
>>>>
>>>> If I see CCNA *AND* CCIE, my question will come out something
>>>> like,
>> "what
>> is
>>>> our ISP's loop transit prevention regex?" and my brain will
> blue-screen.
>>>>
>>>> With a few exceptions, secrecy is deeply incompatible with
>>>> democracy
> and
>>>> with
>>>> science.
>>>> --Carl Sagan
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 23:12:19 +0530
>>>>> From: thekonqueror@gmail.com
>>>>> To: ananth.sarma@gmail.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: CCIE# 20863
>>>>> CC: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Although I don't want to get into the certification value
> discussions,
>> I
>>>> too
>>>>> agree with Joseph about loosing charm of RHCE. I got it few
>>>>> years
> back
>>>> when
>>>>> it was still cool. I don't feel like recertifying it...
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyways, I dropped CCNA from my signature as per orders of Mr
>>>>> Scott
>> Morris
>>>>> :P
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks once again for all your support.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Rahul Nagare
>>>>> RHCE, CCIE#20863 R&S
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> http://thekonqueror.blogspot.com
>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/thekonqueror
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
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