From: Marc La Porte (marc.a.laporte@gmail.com)
Date: Fri May 23 2008 - 04:01:02 ART
My experience is that starting with a simple question is the best approach.
A lot of people don't know their basics. Let them explain (extended) ping or
traceroute. By their type of language used (the quality of their answer) you
can deduct knowlegde of the person. Then pick a topic from his resume. If
he's done a lot with BGP ask him something simple there. If he answers
correctly, ask him what the most difficult thing is he troubeshooted with
BGP. Extrapolate from there (if need be)...
Like I said, I have seen a lot of people who claim they have a lot of
experience fail miserably trying to explain ping or traceroute, or why you
would use a sub-interface with Frame Relay, or what the effects are of
classful routing, or what the differences are between link-state and
routing-by-rumor, etc.
Asking the crazy question usually doesn't work. It doesn't give you a good
insight into someone abilities
My 0.02
Marc
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Salau, Yemi <yemi.salau@siemens.com> wrote:
> How about "explain the ipv6 stateless autoconfiguration process"? or even
> DHCP, ARP Process?
>
> Many Thanks
>
> Yemi Salau
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com on behalf of Scott Morris
> Sent: Fri 23/05/2008 00:52
> To: 'Isabella Figarella'; 'Rik Guyler'
> Cc: 'Dane Newman'; 'keith tokash'; tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com; 'Cisco
> certification'
> Subject: RE: Interview question (was :RE: CCIE# 20863)
>
>
>
> Just playing along here.... But if I saw that someone got their CCNA back
> in 1999, I would still ask them a BGP question. Whether it was on their
> exam or not, the next questions would revolve around the "what have you
> been
> doing to increase your knowledge in the last nine years?!?!"
>
> Scott
>
> _____
>
> From: Isabella Figarella [mailto:gigi.ccie@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 7:16 PM
> To: Rik Guyler
> Cc: Dane Newman; Scott Morris; keith tokash; tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com;
> Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: Interview question (was :RE: CCIE# 20863)
>
>
> I do not recall any BGP in the 1999 version of the CCNA exam.
>
> Nope note there - see below.
>
> Are you sure you are being fair to a CCNA job candidate by asking something
> a CCNA student is not even taught, and especially not taught in 1999?
>
> It does reflect one's pedigree.
>
>
> Here is 640-407 - the exam of the day
>
> The course covers the topics you need to review for the CCNA exam
> including:
>
>
> * Understanding the Internetworking Model, the OSI Model, features of
> Cisco routers, switches and hubs
>
> * Comprehending TCP/IP Protocol Suite Overview including ARP, RARP,
> and ICMP Messages
>
> * Describe the major features, functions, and benefits of Cisco
> routers, switches, and hubs
>
> * Getting started with Cisco IOS software including router basics,
> user and privileged mode, Cisco discover mode, IOS naming conventions, and
> loading IOS from ROM
>
> * Recognize the configuration commands necessary to configure Cisco
> IOS features
>
> * Perform the steps required to log in to the router, use help, and
> use editing features
>
> * Perform the steps required to examine router status and configure a
> Cisco router
>
> * Describe the router startup sequence and load sources
>
> * Perform an initial configuration using the setup mode
>
> * Describe the procedures for working with configuration files
>
> * Perform the steps required to configure the routers' identification
>
> * Describe the features and operation of the two primary
> configuration
> modes
>
> * Identify the functions of the TCP/IP network and transport-layer
> protocols
>
> * Perform the steps required to configure RIP and IGRP in an IP
> routing environment
>
> * Describe the steps required to configure Novell RIP in an IPX
> routing environment
>
> * Describe the steps required to configure Frame Relay and X.25 on a
> Cisco router
>
> * Describe the commands used to verify and troubleshoot feature
> operation
>
> * Describe the steps required to initially configure a Cisco switch
> and hub product
>
> * Describe the steps required to configure ISDN BRI
>
> * Describe the steps required to configure a VLAN segment
>
>
>
>
>
> Here is the 640-607
>
> The course covers the topics you need to review for the CCNA exam
> including:
>
>
> * Understanding the Internetworking Model, the OSI Model, Cisco
> Hierarchical Model, Assembling and Cabling Cisco Devices
>
> * Selecting Cisco routers, switches and hubs. Switching Technologies
>
> * Internet protocol, TCP/IP Protocol Suite Overview including IP
> Addressing and Subnetting
>
> * Getting started with Cisco IOS software including router basics and
> Command Line Interface
>
> * Gathering Basic Router Information, Setting the Passwords,
> Banners,
> Router Interfaces, Hostname, Viewing/Saving and Verifying Router
> Configuration
>
> * IP Routing, Static Routing, Default Routing, Dynamic Routing,
> Routing Protocols, Routing Loops, Routing Information Protocol (RIP),
> Configuring RIP, IGRP, IGRP Routing Tables
>
> * Virtual LAN, Static, Dynamic VLANs, Trunking
>
> * Managing Cisco Internetwork, Boot Sequence, Configuring Registers,
> Recovering Passwords
>
> * Backing Up and Restoring Cisco IOS, Upgrading IOS
>
> * Backing Up and Restoring Cisco Configuration, Earsing the
> Configuration
>
> * Using Cisco Discovery Protocol, Using Telnet, Resolving Hostnames,
> Checking Network Connectivity
>
> * Configuring Novell IPX, Enabling IPX on Cisco Routers, Configuring
> Internetwork with IPX
>
> * Managing Traffic with Access Lists
>
> * Wide Area Network Protocols, HDLC, PPP, Frame Relay, ISDN, DDR
>
> * Configuring the Catalyst 1900 Switch, Features of 1900 Switch, 1900
> Switch Startup, Cisco 1900 IOS Configuration Commands
>
> * Describe the steps required to configure Frame Relay and X.25 on a
> Cisco router
>
> * Describe the commands used to verify and troubleshoot feature
> operation
>
> * Describe the steps required to initially configure a Cisco switch
> and hub product
>
> * Describe the steps required to configure ISDN BRI
>
> * Describe the steps required to configure a VLAN segment
>
> Here's 640-801
>
>
> Planning & Designing
>
>
> * Design a simple LAN using Cisco Technology
>
> * Design an IP addressing scheme to meet design requirements
>
> * Select an appropriate routing protocol based on user requirements
>
> * Design a simple internetwork using Cisco technology
>
> * Develop an access list to meet user specifications
>
> * Choose WAN services to meet customer requirements
>
>
>
> Implementation & Operation
>
>
> * Configure routing protocols given user requirements
>
> * Configure IP addresses, subnet masks, and gateway addresses on
> routers and hosts
>
> * Configure a router for additional administrative functionality
>
> * Configure a switch with VLANS and inter-switch communication
>
> * Implement a LAN
>
> * Customize a switch configuration to meet specified network
> requirements
>
> * Manage system image and device configuration files
>
> * Perform an initial configuration on a router
>
> * Perform an initial configuration on a switch
>
> * Implement access lists
>
> * Implement simple WAN protocols
>
>
>
> Troubleshooting
>
>
> * Utilize the OSI model as a guide for systematic network
> troubleshooting
>
> * Perform LAN and VLAN troubleshooting
>
> * Troubleshoot routing protocols
>
> * Troubleshoot IP addressing and host configuration
>
> * Troubleshoot a device as part of a working network
>
> * Troubleshoot an access list
>
> * Perform simple WAN troubleshooting
>
>
>
> Technology
>
>
> * Describe network communications using layered models
>
> * Describe the Spanning Tree process
>
> * Compare and contrast key characteristics of LAN environments
>
> * Evaluate the characteristics of routing protocols
>
> * Evaluate TCP/IP communication process and its associated protocols
>
> * Describe the components of network devices
>
> * Evaluate rules for packet control
>
> * Evaluate key characteristics of WANs
>
>
>
>
> On 5/21/08, Rik Guyler <rik@guyler.net> wrote:
>
> Damn...that about made me blow my milk and cookies all over the monitor!
> ;-)
>
> For me, that's not a tough question at all - No. But then again I'm
> currently gainfully employed. ;-)
>
> Rik
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Dane
> Newman
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 7:43 PM
> To: Scott Morris
> Cc: keith tokash; <tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com>; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: Interview question (was :RE: CCIE# 20863)
>
> I don't know about you guys but the hardest interview question I was
> ask is will you take ten percent less then your making now
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 20, 2008, at 5:13 PM, "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
>
> > Heheheheh... Stepping past boundaries has always been a specialty
> > of mine!
> > (grin)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> > keith tokash
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 4:37 PM
> > To: tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com
> > Cc: 'Cisco certification'
> > Subject: Interview question (was :RE: CCIE# 20863)
> >
> > Nah, I don't believe in torturing interviewees. Just a probe. Some
> > people
> > can cough up the answer and have no idea what it means, some people
> > can't
> > answer it, some are almost insulted you asked and springboard into
> > solid
> > detail. It's a nice soft question to gauge whether you need to ask
> > any more
> > questions in that area or should just move on tactfully. After all,
> > you
> > never know exactly where a boundary is until you step past it.
> >
> > With a few exceptions, secrecy is deeply incompatible with democracy
> > and
> > with science.
> > --Carl Sagan
> >
> >> From: tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com
> >> To: ktokash@hotmail.com
> >> CC: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >> Subject: RE: CCIE# 20863
> >> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:58:42 -0500
> >>
> >>
> >> I think the point is that you can cough up that statement at will
> >> during an interview...but when you are reading your first CCNA book,
> >> that BGP statement probably doesn't make a ton of sense.
> >>
> >> And that goes back to my initial statement...a typical CCNA doesn't
> >> really understand how BGP works.
> >>
> >> If that's what you consider fun in CCNA interviews...well...I'm not
> >> sure what to say.
> >>
> >> BTW, there are regex tools out there to meet your requirements in 30
> > seconds
> >> or less (for your CCIEs).
> >>
> >> Tony
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> >> Of keith tokash
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 2:38 PM
> >> To: Roger; Tony Varriale
> >> Cc: 'Cisco certification'
> >> Subject: RE: CCIE# 20863
> >>
> >> Hahaha, intricacies yes. But I believe they drum, "BGP uses AS-PATH
> >> to avoid loops" into every CCNA student's head. At least they did
> >> when I got mine
> > in
> >> 1999, and I hear it's much harder nowadays. I don't really worry if
> >> they don't know that since we don't hire entry-level people with the
> >> intention
> > of
> >> having them tune/load-balance our BGP, but it's nice to poke and
> >> probe
> >> a candidate's boundaries.
> >>
> >> With a few exceptions, secrecy is deeply incompatible with democracy
> >> and with science.
> >> --Carl Sagan
> >>
> >>> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 12:31:15 -0700
> >>> From: divineone@divine-wind.net
> >>> Subject: RE: CCIE# 20863
> >>> To: tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com
> >>> CC: ccielab@groupstudy.com; ktokash@hotmail.com
> >>>
> >>> You don't know keith
> >>>
> >>>> -------- Original Message --------
> >>>> Subject: RE: CCIE# 20863
> >>>> From: "Tony Varriale" <tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com>
> >>>> Date: Tue, May 20, 2008 12:09 pm
> >>>> To: "'keith tokash'" <ktokash@hotmail.com>
> >>>> Cc: "'Cisco certification'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I think expecting a typcial CCNA to know the intricacies of a
> >>>> protocol
> >> is
> >> a
> >>>> bit over zealous, no?
> >>>>
> >>>> Tony
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> >>>> Behalf Of keith tokash
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 1:13 PM
> >>>> To: theKonqueror; A.G. Ananth Sarma (GMail)
> >>>> Cc: Cisco certification
> >>>> Subject: RE: CCIE# 20863
> >>>>
> >>>> Good move. When I see CCNA on a resume my mind jumps to interview
> >> questions
> >>>> like, "what is BGP's loop prevention mechanism?" When I see CCIE
> >>>> on a resume it jumps to, "what's the regex to filter transit
> >>>> routes from our ISPs,
> >> and
> >>>> if
> >>>> we didn't want to use a regex, how else could we filter?"
> >>>>
> >>>> If I see CCNA *AND* CCIE, my question will come out something
> >>>> like,
> >> "what
> >> is
> >>>> our ISP's loop transit prevention regex?" and my brain will
> > blue-screen.
> >>>>
> >>>> With a few exceptions, secrecy is deeply incompatible with
> >>>> democracy
> > and
> >>>> with
> >>>> science.
> >>>> --Carl Sagan
> >>>>
> >>>>> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 23:12:19 +0530
> >>>>> From: thekonqueror@gmail.com
> >>>>> To: ananth.sarma@gmail.com
> >>>>> Subject: Re: CCIE# 20863
> >>>>> CC: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks everyone.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Although I don't want to get into the certification value
> > discussions,
> >> I
> >>>> too
> >>>>> agree with Joseph about loosing charm of RHCE. I got it few
> >>>>> years
> > back
> >>>> when
> >>>>> it was still cool. I don't feel like recertifying it...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anyways, I dropped CCNA from my signature as per orders of Mr
> >>>>> Scott
> >> Morris
> >>>>> :P
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks once again for all your support.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Rahul Nagare
> >>>>> RHCE, CCIE#20863 R&S
> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> http://thekonqueror.blogspot.com
> >>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/thekonqueror
> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>
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