From: Scott Morris (swm@emanon.com)
Date: Tue May 20 2008 - 11:11:26 ART
I think the whole thing gets blown out of proportion when you (or anyone)
comes in using harsh terms like "fraud" or "stupidity" and other
no-grey-area terms like that.
As I'm sure you can figure out if you've been on the board for any length of
time, every vendor out there lab/workbook/bootcamp/whatever has people who
have had good experiences and people who have bad experiences. All of them
have an equal right to share their opinions, but always keep in mind that
they are opinions and do not demonstrate any 100% factual "only" view of the
world.
Just as much as anyone comes out and may say "you are great" (makes you feel
good, huh?) someone may come out and day "you are an idiot". The latter
doesn't feel nearly as good, but both are equally worthy in the grand scheme
of things.
While we may certainly like it when people agree with everything we say, it
doesn't make it right, wrong or otherwise if people do or do not. Don't
take it as a personal attack. That was your buddy JP's problem a few
month's ago. Don't take things so personally if something goes wrong on a
temporary basis.
Nothing wrong with being pissed at the world, but deal with the idea that
nobody is 100% right 100% of the time! Especially when it comes to
opinions.
Now, you may of course have the right to agree with me or disagree with me.
You can tell me I'm great, or you can tell me I'm an idiot. In the end, you
are entitled to your opinion, but don't expect everyone to agree with
whatever that opinion is. Personally, I enjoy it more when people don't
agree with me because that means I get to argue .... Errrr... Have a
discussion. ;)
Congratulations on your accumulated knowledge. Now go use it to good
application, and try not to let the world get you down along the way. Many
other people have had good experiences with CCIE2BE, and in the future I'm
sure that there will always be both good and bad ones.
Very much like your recent friend from across the pond there, I'm sure there
will be others who don't like the outcome of their CCIE Voice experiences
from Ipexpert's bootcamp. There are still plenty of others out there who do
like it, and still plenty of other vendor's who have their instructors
trained in that same bootcamp. Obviously things work for some people but
not for others! Don't blame the world though!
If the date of your posting is August, and we're still referencing July's
problem, that may put a different persective on things, but in the meantime,
tone down the words a little bit, and you may find people more willing to
work to solve a problem rather than reacting so much in defense!
Cheers,
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
SAMARTH
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 6:53 AM
To: jatinder.p.singh@bt.com; ccie2sale@gmail.com
Cc: jnccia@gmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Fraud CCIE2BE.COM
Dear CCIE2SALE@gmail.com, CCIE2be.com and their friends ie Narabik,
Just to clarify my experience. I am an engineering student at the University
of Greenwich, London. Along with my academic studies I have studied CCIE. At
the age of 21 I passed the CCIE lab exam. I have knowledge of 3 tracks in
CCIE ie RS, Security, SP and I am presently studying Voice. I thankful for
Internetworkexpert for all their materials like the world class COD,
workbooks and racks for all the 4 tracks. They have given me good discount
always (Thanks Brian and Misty) I have enrolled for their voice classes. I
have also attended several bootcamps of Mr Khawar Butt which helped me
master the RS and security track, alpha to omega.
No company has sponsored money for the bootcamps, materials and the lab
exams; I have earned money on my own and from my parents to buy all these
services which are worth several thousands of dollors. Tell me which
presently academic student has become a ccie while doing this university.
Brian Mcgahan is great has be passed it when he was 20 years.
I have hands on experience is some of my university project. My university
is big and has many 6509, firewalls, Ids, several multilayered switches and
routers.
Besides networking, I am also a system programmer with detailed knowledge of
unix operating system, some Kernel programming and other administrative
shell scripting. At the age of 22 I have knowledge of 3ccie tracks. Because
of my university exams I was unable to take the remaining lab exams.
Just because I raised my worry about the bad experience on ccie2be.com.
Their friends ie Narabik and the unknown ccie2sale@gmail.com started to
accuse me personally. I can understand that narabik is a close friend of
David; I GUESS that Narabik has some of his old TrinetNT devices at
ccie2be.com. Who is this ccie2sale@gmail.com. Doesn't he have a name? I have
been a customer with cconlinelabs.com for nearing 2years and have bought
more than 100-150 sessions or even 200 sessions. I have never experienced
any problem. Tony is a great guy and gives quick support. He is the single
person who handles the entire operation there. David Lee needs to learn from
Tony Schaffran on how to maintain good service. I have also used
Racktimerentals, even that is great.
BUT REMEBER that CCIE2be.com provided me very bad service. At first I made a
payment 1200usd way in advance to book the racks for the entire July month.
After few months I enquired about the reservation casually then ccie2be.com
replied back to saying that I had never made a payment to them. After
several emails I proved them about the payment made. After this when they
finally put up the schedule, the totally missed my reservation. I sent them
emails regarding this and I got no reply. After posting to group study and
after all the drama here. They put my schedules. They have told their phony
friend ccie2sale@gmail.com to accuse me personally. Many people have
complained about ccie2be, It's not only myself.
For all the people who have accused me. I feel compassionate to their
stupidity and I suggest the following methods to drive out the rubbish in
their mind.
1) OSHO's Dynamic Meditation. Take a look that this link
http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=Meditation&Sub1Menu=ActiveMeditation&Sub2M
enu=Dynamic
2) Primal Therapy- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primal_therapy
3) Psychotherapy - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychotherapy
Best Wishes,
C SAMARTH
CCIE #18535
-----Original Message-----
From: jatinder.p.singh@bt.com [mailto:jatinder.p.singh@bt.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 9:19 AM
To: ccie2sale@gmail.com; samarth_04@hotmail.com
Cc: jnccia@gmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Fraud CCIE2BE.COM
Dear all,
I think when you give your reporting about vendor and Give clear picture to
people. Some Guys who are there Rep on Group study Start crying. Same is
happened with me When I have given the clear picture of IP Expert.
Any way Who cares...
Keep it up SAMARTH
REGARDS
J P Singh
________________________________
From: nobody@groupstudy.com on behalf of cciesale sale
Sent: Sun 5/18/2008 10:17
To: SAMARTH
Cc: Joshua; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Fraud CCIE2BE.COM
Infact iam not drunk , but lost your conscience when you heard the truth
..and realizing your fact.
On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 12:56 AM, SAMARTH <samarth_04@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Take it cool Mr.CCIESALE, you seem to be drunk.
>
> Best Wishes.
> C SAMARTH
> CCIE #18535
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of cciesale sale
> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 10:52 PM
> To: C SAMARTH
> Cc: Joshua; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Fraud CCIE2BE.COM
>
> all his certificates are fake , i you r supporting him then you also
> have
a
> fake certificates a faker can only support another faker
>
> FAKE CCIE's no pracitcal knowlege just dump people wasting the name of
> Cisco
>
> On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 11:21 PM, C SAMARTH <samarth_04@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > You seem to be a slow brain who cant do hard work. This list is for
> > hard working people. Best Wishes,C SAMARTHCCIE #18535CCSP CCNP
> > CCNAMCSE MCSD
> > SCSA1
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 17:10:30 +0300> From: ccie2sale@gmail.com> To:
> > samarth_04@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Fraud CCIE2BE.COM> CC:
> > jnccia@gmail.com;
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com> > Samarth what i know i that you are also
> > fake ccie , direct from ccna to ccie> without any experience you
> > should expect to interact with same type of> people> > > > > > On
> > Sat, May 17, 2008 at 8:37 AM, SAMARTH <samarth_04@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:> > > I don't think so they are THE BEST after what they have
> > done, just COMMON> > SENSE.> >> > Best Wishes> > C
> SAMARTH>
> > >
> > CCIE #18535> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From:
> > nobody@groupstudy.com
> > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of> > Narbik Kocharians> >
> Sent:
> > Saturday, May 17, 2008 4:51 AM> > To: Joshua> > Cc: SAMARTH;
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com> > Subject: Re: Fraud CCIE2BE.COM> >> > I use
> these
> > guys for my boot camps and they are THE BEST.> >> > On Fri, May 16,
> > 2008
> at
> > 6:02 PM, Joshua <jnccia@gmail.com> wrote:> >> > > Had only one
> > problem with CCIE2BE and they not only> > > took care of the
> > problem, they credited
me
> > for
> > the lost> > > two days. I have been using them since last October
> > of> >
>
> > 2007, and still use them without issue.> > >> > > CCIE2BE is not a
> fraud.>
> > >
> > >> > > Josh> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From:
> > nobody@groupstudy.com> > > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> > SAMARTH> > > Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 5:55 PM> > > To:
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com> > > Subject: Fraud CCIE2BE.COM <
> > http://ccie2be.com/>>
> > > >> > > Hello Group,> > >> > >> > >> > > This is to let you know
> > > >> > > that
> > there
> > is a certain online> > > rack rental site that> > > is taking money
> > from the candidates and not providing> > > services.> > >> > > Few
> > months back I
> had
> > paid ccie2be.com 1200 usd to book> > > racks for me in the> > >
> > month of July.
> > After few months of the payment they> > > totally forgot about me.>
> > > > Then I had to remind them through several emails.> > > Finally
> > they have
missed>
> >
> > >
> > my reserved schedules for the month of July.> > >> > > Several of my
> > friends had login problem, power supply> > > problem and problems> >
> > > due to
> wrong
> > scheduling.> > >> > > I have used cconlinelabs since 2 years,
> > racktimerental>
> > > > and> > > internetworkexpert, never faced any problems at all. I>
> > > > and> > > > >
> > did a
> > mistake for> > > choosing ccie2be.> > >> > >> > >> > > BEWARE OF
> > THESE FRAUDS.> > >> > >> > >> > > Best Wishes.> > >> > > C SAMARTH>
> > > >> > >
> CCIE
> > #18535> > >> > >> > >
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