From: nrf (noglikirf@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue May 13 2008 - 01:10:44 ART
----- Original Message -----
From: "Liban malabow" <libanmohamed@yahoo.com>
To: "nrf" <noglikirf@hotmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>;
<comserv@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: How to Become a CCIE v2
> WoW,
> Man you gave me headache just reading, if you truly
> believe someone with CCIE regardless of how they
> achieved can walk in to an Employer,and gets the job
> because of his/her CCIE, then you are in LALA world,
Uh, when exactly did I say any such thing? Please point to the quote where
I said that I believed somebody with a CCIE could just walk into an employer
and get the job just because of his status.
> people with CCIE are expected to answer all questions,
> and perform CCIE level, if let's say you make it the
> interview portion, and your manager gives you a task
> that requires you to use your CCIE skill, and you have
> no clue WTH you doing then expect to get your pink
> slip right away by friend.
Hence, what you are saying is actually reinforcing my entire point, which is
that the CCIE is no longer a reliable mark of quality. I wish it wasn't
true, but it is true: there are unfortunately people out there who are
CCIE's who, frankly, aren't that good. That's why (smart) employers know
they can no longer rely on the CCIE as an indicator of acumen.
Seems to me that many of you are upset with me because you think I am
somehow 'denigrating' the worth of the CCIE. But let me put it you this
way. Who's REALLY denigrating the worth of the CCIE, me (just an anonymous
guy on a newsgroup), or the guys who take the exam over and over and over
again until they finally pass? Like I said before, if you keep repeatedly
showing up, eventually you're going to get the version of the test that you
just so happen to be good at and/or that you've already seen before.
Hence, by constantly repeating the test, sooner or later, you're going to
sneak through.
Like I said, I think I'm a reasonable guy. I am not asking for everybody to
pass on their first attempt. I am not even asking for everybody to pass on
their first few attempts. But there ought to be SOME limit, and it amazes
me that so many of you seem so resistant to the idea. From what I can tell,
a lot of you simply aren't interested in having the certification maintain
its value. That's baffling to me, because why would you spend so much time
in studying for a cert and yet not care if it maintains it value?
But in any case, look, for those of you who just don't care about having
the cert maintain its value, then just say so upfront.
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