From: Cisco Nuts (cisconuts@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue May 06 2008 - 13:23:46 ART
CISSP is a worthless certification !!!
It is nothing but a theory exam that tests if you have "memorized" the answers
!!
No practical real world usage for it !!
It is only for folks who have tried the CCIE/CCSP and failed !!
Yes, that is the fact...!!
My Boss who is a CISSP cannot differentiate b/w a FW/IDS or a VPN - talk about
it !!
CCIE-Security is one true cert for Security.....
> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 08:59:29 -0700
> From: Colin@2cups.com
> To: joe@affirmedsystems.com
> CC: dale.shaw@gmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: How to Become a CCIE v2
>
> I second Joseph here. I work with some AMAZING security professionals,
> that just HAPPEN to have their CISSP certification.
> I also have met people that have absolutely no practical security
> (attack mitigation, incident response, forensics) knowledge at all, who
> maintain their CISSP.
>
> The CISSP in itself is very high level and theoretical. This maps into
> the core process and compliance issues that many security professionals
> have to deal with today.
> What it is not is an exam based around skills, like GIAC series or CEH.
>
> --
> Colin McNamara
> (858)208-8105
> CCIE #18233,RHCE,GCIH
> http://www.colinmcnamara.com
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/colinmcnamara
>
> "The difficult we do immediately, the impossible just takes a little
longer"
>
>
> Joseph Brunner wrote:
> >> Perhaps Cisco could consider a system like CISSP
> >>
> >
> > Um, no thanks...
> > I work with several CISSP's. They have almost ZERO practical security
> > knowledge...
> >
> > Just last Friday I had to teach one of these endorsed "professionals"
> > The pix, subnetting, writing ACL's, etc, why we do nonat's, etc.
> >
> > What good is a certification if does not give you any training/knowledge
> > that allows you to do anything in the real world?
> >
> > The CISSP has become so devalued because it's a life raft for
non-technical
> > people who want to work in IT.
> >
> > Anyone who has a good working relationship with their boss can be
> > endorsed... My old boss would have endorsed me robbing a liquor store if
I
> > promised him an ecstasy tab and a night with my girlfriend... does this
make
> > his endorsement valuable?
> >
> > -Joe
> > (Back on dagobah/rtp in July for a REAL security test ;)
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Dale
> > Shaw
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 1:27 AM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: How to Become a CCIE v2
> >
> > Irrespective of how hard or not the CCIE lab is, I agree with one key
> > point that the original poster made:
> >
> > Just like every other vendor certification, there is no way for a
> > prospective employer, or anyone for that matter, to differentiate
> > between someone who has years and years of practical experience and
> > blitzed the lab first go, and someone with relatively limited
> > experience but who brute-forced their way through.
> >
> > The end result is "CCIE", not "CCIE (passed first go)" or "CCIE
> > (passed on the 5th attempt)". In my opinion, despite the practical
> > nature of the lab, it is still possible to be a "paper CCIE".
> >
> > To use the fruit comparison analogy in a different way: comparing
> > CCIEs can indeed be like comparing apples and oranges! -- some are
> > good, some are bad.
> >
> > Perhaps Cisco could consider a system like CISSP, whereby you have to
> > be endorsed by someone who is already certified, and/or you have to
> > meet other pre-requisites, like number of years of relevant work
> > experience.
> >
> > cheers,
> > Dale
> >
> >
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