From: Scott Morris (swm@emanon.com)
Date: Tue May 06 2008 - 09:13:49 ART
While an interesting idea there, it's too easy to get your "buddies"
endorsed. CISSP has this problem (IMHO).
Also, if working for a partner, don't you think there'd be additional
pressure to endorse the folks you worked with no matter what your personal
opinion of them?
While I think the idea of some additional criteria is a good idea, somehow
it needs to be independent in nature.
I haven't fully formulated an idea about what though. Not yet anyway. :)
But I agree that something should be done on a couple different fronts.
Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE-M
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Dale
Shaw
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 1:27 AM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: How to Become a CCIE v2
Irrespective of how hard or not the CCIE lab is, I agree with one key point
that the original poster made:
Just like every other vendor certification, there is no way for a
prospective employer, or anyone for that matter, to differentiate between
someone who has years and years of practical experience and blitzed the lab
first go, and someone with relatively limited experience but who
brute-forced their way through.
The end result is "CCIE", not "CCIE (passed first go)" or "CCIE (passed on
the 5th attempt)". In my opinion, despite the practical nature of the lab,
it is still possible to be a "paper CCIE".
To use the fruit comparison analogy in a different way: comparing CCIEs can
indeed be like comparing apples and oranges! -- some are good, some are bad.
Perhaps Cisco could consider a system like CISSP, whereby you have to be
endorsed by someone who is already certified, and/or you have to meet other
pre-requisites, like number of years of relevant work experience.
cheers,
Dale
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