From: Joseph Brunner (joe@affirmedsystems.com)
Date: Tue Apr 29 2008 - 15:59:10 ART
You won't make that much unless you have great contacts or are hourly.
A large Cisco gold partner offered this guy I know (who is a double star in
security/voice) $140,000 IN NYC. Bonus was to be UP TO 15%. So I think he
did something else.
I guess you do need that top secret clearance to work for the govt. and burn
the tax payers for $1000 an hour by being billed out by Boeing or Lockheed
Network services (sure MAYBE they will pay you that much full time)
-Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Johnny Phan
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 2:47 PM
To: Joseph Brunner; 'Hoogen'; 'Thomas Fowles'
Cc: 'D.H. Williams'; 'Lanny Ballard'; 'darth router'; 'Muhammad Nasim';
'Robert Smith'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: CCIE and Partnership Rules
Joe:
Are you saying if I work three jobs, dont' sleep much, don't have a life, I
can't make 200k-300k as the young person a few threads ago suggest. After
all, who cares about anything else but money.
Hey, I am looking for encouragements here from you, so no more negative
comments, okay ;-) ? LOL.
Then again, it would be a good way to discourage those young people asking
which CCIE will give them 200k-300k.
Johnny
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
To: "'Hoogen'" <hoogen82@gmail.com>; "'Thomas Fowles'" <tfowles@gmail.com>
Cc: "'D.H. Williams'" <draythw@gmail.com>; "'Lanny Ballard'"
<lanny26ga@hotmail.com>; "'darth router'" <darklordrouter@gmail.com>;
"'Muhammad Nasim'" <muhammad.nasim@gmail.com>; "'Robert Smith'"
<thecure007@gmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 11:05 AM
Subject: RE: CCIE and Partnership Rules
>> Because of their expert skills and experience, CCIEs are in demand
>> among Cisco's channel partners
>
>
> Talk about hot air... last time I heard that much HOT AIR I was listening
> to
> Razorfish explain why they were going to be the next Dow component. Oh,
> and
> CMGI was trading for about 200+ per share that day.
>
> Too bad $$$ doesn't follow demand. Many of these "Experts" make less for a
> year than a first year M.B.A.'s bonus.
>
> LOL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Hoogen
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 1:09 PM
> To: Thomas Fowles
> Cc: D.H. Williams; Lanny Ballard; darth router; Muhammad Nasim; Robert
> Smith; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCIE and Partnership Rules
>
> Absolutely right.. I worked for a partner before. And I did read this
> document then. When I left the company, they had an audit coming up within
> three months. Being in good terms I let them have my Id for the 3 months
> and
> they relased it immediately after. They could hold on to my id for another
> 12 months, but I guess talk to your employer before you get into these
> things. I believe if you negotiate before hand that your employer cannot
> hold ur ID when you leave there shouldn't be any problem.
>
> Cheers,
> Hoogen
>
> On 4/29/08, Thomas Fowles <tfowles@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I don't work for a Cisco Channel Partner, so I cannot share any personal
>> experience, but from
>> http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/employers/index.html :
>>
>> "Cisco limits the recruiting of CCIEs from one partner to another
>>
>> Because of their expert skills and experience, CCIEs are in demand among
>> Cisco's channel partners. To limit the adverse impact of losing a key
>> staff
>> member, Cisco's Gold and Silver Channel Partner Program sets policy
>> regarding hiring CCIEs away from other Cisco Channel Partners.
>> In general, the program rules prevent a reseller who hires a CCIE away
>> from
>> another reseller, from using that CCIE to qualify for Gold or Silver
>> status
>> for a period of 12 months. More information can be found in the Gold and
>> Silver Program Policy
>>
Document<http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/765/tools/cpapp/audit_doc.pdf>in
>> Appendix D, Section 4 "CCIE Policies" or by contacting Partner
>> Support <http://ciscopartner.custhelp.com/>."
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> -Tom
>> CCIE#18762
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:00 AM, D.H. Williams <draythw@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hey Lanny, that is really interesting. Did you move to a partner in
>> > the
>> > same region or did you relocate (i.e. from West to Northeast)?
>> >
>> > I would think that if you moved across town the partner would try to
>> stop
>> > it
>> > (I know my bosses would) but if I moved out West I don't think they
>> would
>> > care.
>> >
>> > Maybe somebody from Cisco is on these boards and can shed a little
>> > light
>> > for
>> > everyone.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Lanny Ballard <lanny26ga@hotmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > I'm not so sure this is true. It may just be an urban legend. I had
>> > > thought the same thing until I recently went from one partner to
>> > another,
>> > > and the partner was able to immediately use my CCIE. Does anyone
>> > > know
>> > if
>> > > there is any documentation anywhere citing this? If this is just a
>> > rumor,
>> > > than it is one we need to stop it because it lessens the value of our
>> > hard
>> > > earned cert.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ------------------------------
>> > > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:35:52 -0800
>> > > > From: darklordrouter@gmail.com
>> > > > To: muhammad.nasim@gmail.com
>> > > > Subject: Re: CCIE and Partnership Rules
>> > > > CC: draythw@gmail.com; thecure007@gmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > I thought the whole reason for this 12 month deal is so cisco
>> partners
>> > > can't
>> > > > snipe each other's employees with total impunity.
>> > > >
>> > > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Muhammad Nasim <
>> > > muhammad.nasim@gmail.com>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > It is a known issue. you can open support case and they can
>> release
>> > > your
>> > > > > number from partner association
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > 2008/4/29 D.H. Williams <draythw@gmail.com>:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > This is true, and if you are going from one partner to another
>> the
>> > > rule
>> > > > > > holds for that as well. From my understanding, all professional
>> > and
>> > > > > > associate tracks can be moved right away, but I'm not aware if
>> > there
>> > > > > might
>> > > > > > be stipulations on this as well.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I work for a Cisco Gold Partner, and we have to pass an audit
>> each
>> > > year
>> > > > > > that
>> > > > > > includes a summary of all our individuals + customer info +
>> > > financial
>> > > > > > info.
>> > > > > > I always have to perform a demo on one of our specializations
>> > > > > > as
>> > > well.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 9:44 PM, Robert Smith <
>> > thecure007@gmail.com>
>> > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > I was told that when your ccie number is associated to your
>> > > current
>> > > > > > > company, and if you want to get a new job as a CCIE, your
>> > > > > > > CCIE
>> > > number
>> > > > > > is
>> > > > > > > hold for one year in your current company and the new one
>> can't
>> > > use it
>> > > > > > > during that period.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Does anyone know if this is true? Does anyone know what are
>> the
>> > > > > policies
>> > > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > hire a CCIE from one Cisco Partner to another?
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Thanks in advance,
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Rob
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Pass the CCIE in six weeks, Guaranteed!
>> > > > > > > http://www.certscience.com/CCIE
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > >
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>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > --
>> > > > > Muhammad Nasim
>> > > > > Network Engineer
>> > > > > Saudi Arabia
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
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>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > ------------------------------
>> > > Back to work after baby how do you know when you're
>> > ready?<
>> > http://lifestyle.msn.com/familyandparenting/articleNW.aspx?cp-document
>> > id=5797498&ocid=T067MSN40A0701A<
>>
>
http://lifestyle.msn.com/familyandparenting/articleNW.aspx?cp-documentid=579
> 7498&ocid=T067MSN40A0701A
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
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