From: Gary Duncanson (gary.duncanson@googlemail.com)
Date: Fri Apr 18 2008 - 20:27:56 ART
I do all that too. At least that's one thng we have in common.
I can't say I'm overthinking anything really. It's a call to the floor to get
some debate going to help generate some insights to help the newer people. I
doubt it will happen though ;)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
To: "'Gary Duncanson'" <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>; "'Isabella Figarella'"
<gigi.ccie@gmail.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 11:02 PM
Subject: RE: OT - The future for Network Support?
> You are over thinking things;
>
> The world is more like 1950 than 2020.
>
> Wars are still fought, and lost with men on the front lines;
>
> There will always be the dire need for people who know WHEN to make a
> decision more than HOW to make a decision.
>
> A good engineer/architect will always diversify their skill set.
>
> I train/teach, I write proposals, I study intensely the document cd,
cisco's
> site and all manner of technical literature I can get my hands on. I use
> Cisco, Linux, Windows, Security software, and other things that are
relevant
> to companies.
>
> Bottom line: don't become a dinosaur. Always be humble and hungry.
>
> You will always be needed ;)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Gary
> Duncanson
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 5:32 PM
> To: Isabella Figarella
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: OT - The future for Network Support?
>
> Im interested on feedback from GS members on the career landscape today.
>
> The average employer's awareness of how much time you invest outside of
> works
> time to become as proficient as you need to be at what you are employed to
> be
> does seem to be diminishing. After all..google can solve even co-lo
> resiliency
> considerations for their bright 14 year old right? So who needs network
> 'guys'? Much less Supervisor upgrades on your CatOS estate.
>
> Increasingly it seems we are reliant on a good CIO in the modern company!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Isabella Figarella
> To: Gary Duncanson
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 10:18 PM
> Subject: Re: OT - The future for Network Support?
>
>
> You make valuable points Gary. I welcome the dumpers with open arms. The
> more people cheat their way to certification the better actual qualified
and
> experienced people who are certified will appear. Let them come. But it
is
> up to us to weed them out and ensure that they earn their certs through
> sweat
> and tears. Otherwise let them ask themself if it is worth it. If it is
not
> then they will waste away.
>
>
> On 4/18/08, Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com> wrote:
> I think it's been awhile since anyone on the list use the 'chooser' to
> get
> to
> a zone. But I just wonder where things are at in terms of reward for
> groupstudy members.
>
> Some of us know our RFC's but how many of our corporate masters do quite
> frankly?
>
> It seems the last few years support has been squeezed in terms of
> available
> people thanks to braindumps and clueless HR, strategic shifts to
> offshoring
> and outsourcing, downsizing and co-locating. Lately it seems to me folks
> with
> 5 years IT experience including an MCSE and CCNA are hoping for a floor
> sweeping NOC job. I do wonder if by the time these hardworking people
> get
> the
> 'juice', their time will have gone quite frankly.
>
> What's the future for the upwardly mobile network professional? Support
> or
> Design? If design what is the criteria when so few support professionals
> get
> to touch equipment? How do you get on and get out?
>
> As for myself..I saw the writing on the wall for support professionals
> in
> 2003
> and I did get out. Those today may not be so lucky!
>
> Just a discussion.
>
> Gary
>
>
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