From: darth router (darklordrouter@gmail.com)
Date: Sat Apr 19 2008 - 17:11:47 ART
Despite the recession, the market is still hot for people with big skills. I
feel sorry for the people breaking into networking today. In 2001, I
graduated from the CCNA program, then dotcom tanked. I worked for 8 bucks an
hour to get started, when I was expecting to start at 20. It seems about the
same for people breaking in today. You have to have certs, experience, and
maybe the most important, people skills and a great attitude. Anybody with
the balls to go after the CCIE is probably qutie capable of evolving into
different roles. Although there is a huge glut of networking professionals,
finding good people is still extremely difficult.
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Gary Duncanson <
gary.duncanson@googlemail.com> wrote:
> I do all that too. At least that's one thng we have in common.
>
> I can't say I'm overthinking anything really. It's a call to the floor to
> get
> some debate going to help generate some insights to help the newer people.
> I
> doubt it will happen though ;)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> To: "'Gary Duncanson'" <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>; "'Isabella
> Figarella'"
> <gigi.ccie@gmail.com>
> Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 11:02 PM
> Subject: RE: OT - The future for Network Support?
>
>
> > You are over thinking things;
> >
> > The world is more like 1950 than 2020.
> >
> > Wars are still fought, and lost with men on the front lines;
> >
> > There will always be the dire need for people who know WHEN to make a
> > decision more than HOW to make a decision.
> >
> > A good engineer/architect will always diversify their skill set.
> >
> > I train/teach, I write proposals, I study intensely the document cd,
> cisco's
> > site and all manner of technical literature I can get my hands on. I use
> > Cisco, Linux, Windows, Security software, and other things that are
> relevant
> > to companies.
> >
> > Bottom line: don't become a dinosaur. Always be humble and hungry.
> >
> > You will always be needed ;)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Gary
> > Duncanson
> > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 5:32 PM
> > To: Isabella Figarella
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: OT - The future for Network Support?
> >
> > Im interested on feedback from GS members on the career landscape today.
> >
> > The average employer's awareness of how much time you invest outside of
> > works
> > time to become as proficient as you need to be at what you are employed
> to
> > be
> > does seem to be diminishing. After all..google can solve even co-lo
> > resiliency
> > considerations for their bright 14 year old right? So who needs network
> > 'guys'? Much less Supervisor upgrades on your CatOS estate.
> >
> > Increasingly it seems we are reliant on a good CIO in the modern
> company!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Isabella Figarella
> > To: Gary Duncanson
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 10:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: OT - The future for Network Support?
> >
> >
> > You make valuable points Gary. I welcome the dumpers with open arms.
> The
> > more people cheat their way to certification the better actual qualified
> and
> > experienced people who are certified will appear. Let them come. But
> it
> is
> > up to us to weed them out and ensure that they earn their certs through
> > sweat
> > and tears. Otherwise let them ask themself if it is worth it. If it is
> not
> > then they will waste away.
> >
> >
> > On 4/18/08, Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > I think it's been awhile since anyone on the list use the 'chooser'
> to
> > get
> > to
> > a zone. But I just wonder where things are at in terms of reward for
> > groupstudy members.
> >
> > Some of us know our RFC's but how many of our corporate masters do
> quite
> > frankly?
> >
> > It seems the last few years support has been squeezed in terms of
> > available
> > people thanks to braindumps and clueless HR, strategic shifts to
> > offshoring
> > and outsourcing, downsizing and co-locating. Lately it seems to me
> folks
> > with
> > 5 years IT experience including an MCSE and CCNA are hoping for a
> floor
> > sweeping NOC job. I do wonder if by the time these hardworking people
> > get
> > the
> > 'juice', their time will have gone quite frankly.
> >
> > What's the future for the upwardly mobile network professional?
> Support
> > or
> > Design? If design what is the criteria when so few support
> professionals
> > get
> > to touch equipment? How do you get on and get out?
> >
> > As for myself..I saw the writing on the wall for support
> professionals
> > in
> > 2003
> > and I did get out. Those today may not be so lucky!
> >
> > Just a discussion.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> > Pass the CCIE in six weeks, Guaranteed!
> > http://www.certscience.com/CCIE
> >
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