From: Joseph Brunner (joe@affirmedsystems.com)
Date: Fri Apr 18 2008 - 19:02:11 ART
You are over thinking things;
The world is more like 1950 than 2020.
Wars are still fought, and lost with men on the front lines;
There will always be the dire need for people who know WHEN to make a
decision more than HOW to make a decision.
A good engineer/architect will always diversify their skill set.
I train/teach, I write proposals, I study intensely the document cd, cisco's
site and all manner of technical literature I can get my hands on. I use
Cisco, Linux, Windows, Security software, and other things that are relevant
to companies.
Bottom line: don't become a dinosaur. Always be humble and hungry.
You will always be needed ;)
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Duncanson
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 5:32 PM
To: Isabella Figarella
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: OT - The future for Network Support?
Im interested on feedback from GS members on the career landscape today.
The average employer's awareness of how much time you invest outside of
works
time to become as proficient as you need to be at what you are employed to
be
does seem to be diminishing. After all..google can solve even co-lo
resiliency
considerations for their bright 14 year old right? So who needs network
'guys'? Much less Supervisor upgrades on your CatOS estate.
Increasingly it seems we are reliant on a good CIO in the modern company!
----- Original Message -----
From: Isabella Figarella
To: Gary Duncanson
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: OT - The future for Network Support?
You make valuable points Gary. I welcome the dumpers with open arms. The
more people cheat their way to certification the better actual qualified and
experienced people who are certified will appear. Let them come. But it is
up to us to weed them out and ensure that they earn their certs through
sweat
and tears. Otherwise let them ask themself if it is worth it. If it is not
then they will waste away.
On 4/18/08, Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com> wrote:
I think it's been awhile since anyone on the list use the 'chooser' to
get
to
a zone. But I just wonder where things are at in terms of reward for
groupstudy members.
Some of us know our RFC's but how many of our corporate masters do quite
frankly?
It seems the last few years support has been squeezed in terms of
available
people thanks to braindumps and clueless HR, strategic shifts to
offshoring
and outsourcing, downsizing and co-locating. Lately it seems to me folks
with
5 years IT experience including an MCSE and CCNA are hoping for a floor
sweeping NOC job. I do wonder if by the time these hardworking people
get
the
'juice', their time will have gone quite frankly.
What's the future for the upwardly mobile network professional? Support
or
Design? If design what is the criteria when so few support professionals
get
to touch equipment? How do you get on and get out?
As for myself..I saw the writing on the wall for support professionals
in
2003
and I did get out. Those today may not be so lucky!
Just a discussion.
Gary
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