From: Dane Newman (dane.newman@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Apr 15 2008 - 16:54:45 ART
There is good and bad to both. I have been contracting free lance now for
about 6 months and would never go back. As a perm employee I worked every
weekend and till midnight more times then not and hated every unpaid min of
it. It seems the more you know and the better you are at your job the more
they demand of you. I would never ever go back to full time employement.
Heres a question for Joseph I know you mentioned cheap way for health
insurance what was that for New Yorkers again?
Dane
On 4/15/08, Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> The permy also gets holiday pay, sick pay and the *potential* of career
> progression. Don't forget that. It's important as the metric in terms of
> earnings between permy and contractor contract.
>
> Personally Im paid by the hour yes, but I do not stop the clock nor do I
> bill for overruns..unless they are exceptionally long.
>
> Contract or permy..the infrastructure needs defending. Having come through
> support earning stripes through the years before joining the designer
> 'officer ranks' I understand that.
>
> As for police, and fire..well I don't think that's a fair comparison at
> all. Confront the situations those guys have to deal with Joe, I think you
> would shit your pants buddy and forget your hourly rate.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Brunner" <
> joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> To: "'Gary Duncanson'" <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>; <
> ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:14 PM
> Subject: RE: contract or perm?
>
>
> All that matters is that you are paid BY THE HOUR...
> >
> > If you work for a full-time job you have to work weekends, nights and
> > other
> > "maintenance periods" for FREE!
> >
> > The hourly employee gets the bets of both worlds... weekdays to attend
> > meetings, do designs, discuss the plan, and weekends to keep the clock
> > ticking at a nice hourly rate!
> >
> > Do not short your family or yourself! Police, fire, and civil service
> > often
> > are paid by the hour- aren't you worth it?
> >
> > -Joe
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Gary
> > Duncanson
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 1:42 PM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: contract or perm?
> >
> > Group,
> >
> > I realise that this could potentially turn into a difficult thread but I
> > think
> > those with emotional intelligence will prevent that!
> >
> > I wonder if folks could post the benefits of being contract or permy
> > these
> > days in terms of cisco network/engineer/designer employment.
> >
> > Things have changed..
> >
> > In 1997 companies charged $2000 dollars a day (per technician) for Joe's
> > idiot
> > son to install Windows 95 according to the idiots instructions to move
> > from
> > Novell to NT..*sigh*
> >
> > *caveat* the drive mappings didn't work, nor the printing!
> >
> > *further caveat* Apologies in advance to Joe's mom,
> >
> > I'm sure she's a nice lady who makes great gumbo!
> >
> > It's a different landscape these days but how are you doing?
> >
> >
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