From: Dane Newman (dane.newman@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Mar 11 2008 - 14:05:25 ARST
Street smarts vs book smarts argument
CCIE is a practical test where you have to go do it.
MBA is just 2 more years of college.
shrug there are alot more then 20k mba's
If you are looking for money go get your MBA
Just my take on it
Dane
On 3/11/08, darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> CCIE is a higher level knob pushing monkey :)
>
> Honestly guys, my buddy friend is an MBA, and makes significantly less
> than
> I do. An MBA doesn't necessarily land you an executive job. In fact, this
> might be a stretch, but degrees to me are pretty easy, they just take time
> and busy work, even an
> MBA. Half the battle is just showing up for class or doing that
> homework (busy work).
> The CCIE is by far the hardest test I've ever
> done. I'm not dogging traditional school. I have a
> bachelors, but they are two completely different animals. The CCIE to
> me was an instant shortcut into a better pay grade.
> The degree, with exceptions, that just shows people you were able to show
> up
> for class and aren't a complete idiot :P
>
>
> On 3/11/08, Salau, Yemi <yemi.salau@siemens.com> wrote:
> >
> > Wise talks NRF
> >
> > At the end of the day, we all need to ask ourselves why we're going for
> > this CCIE of a thing. There is no comparison though with traditional
> > qualifications ie. Phd or even Professorship. I've met people in my
> > career who knows a lot more than most CCIEs.... I'm yet to meet people
> > who knows that Professors at their special areas of interest.
> >
> > What I'm saying is, the Phd & Prof. World is very parallel to the CCIE
> > side of things, I'm speaking as a CCIE who is one the other side of the
> > road ... So I know what I'm saying. People do CCIEs just for the fun of
> > it, others to guarantee job interviews, some more money, others more
> > respect. But CCIE itself is just the beginning for some people.
> > Whichever way you see CCIE as, it's still very well respected in the IT
> > industry... And with it comes greater responsibility... However CCIEs
> > hardly invent anything in life ... Most Professors do!
> >
> > I'm not saying CCIE is lower than Phd or otherwise, from my own first
> > hand perspective, I think they are 2 parallel planes that can't
> > intersect on a common ground. Having said that, I still find it hard to
> > believe that there are Phd holders from MIT in the unemployment
> > industry.
> >
> > Many Thanks
> >
> >
> > Yemi Salau
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> >
> > nrf
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 10:37 AM
> > Cc: 'groupstudy'; comserv@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: How to Become a CCIE v2
> >
> >
> > > Many managers have no idea how tough the CCIE is. But then again, can
> > you
> > > blame them? Lately there seems to be an outpouring of posts on people
> >
> > > passing
> > > the CCIE in 3, or even 2 months. How many people have completed their
> > > Master's degrees in two months? If it was accredited, I'll bet the
> > answer
> > > is
> > > 0.
> >
> > Actually, not only do I completely agree with you here, I'll not only
> > call
> > you, but also raise you. While managers may not have any idea how tough
> > the
> > CCIE is, well, let's be honest guys, how tough is it really, relative to
> >
> > other credentials one could earn? Few if any people can earn a real
> > (that
> > is, an accredited) master's degree in just 2-3 months, and certainly
> > earning
> > a Phd in such a time frame is infeasible for all except supra-geniuses,
> > as
> > even Einstein needed over a year to be awarded his. Heck, since the
> > MIT
> > PhD was brought up, I know quite a few people who have been working on
> > their
> > PhD's at MIT for over 6 years full-time who still haven't completed the
> > degree. To repeat, that's working on the degree FULL-TIME, which means
> > they
> > don't have a job (in other words, earning the degree IS their job).
> > Honestly, how many of us would really need 6 years of full-time study in
> >
> > order to pass the CCIE? Hence, while I realize that this is a
> > discordant
> > position to take, the fact is, the CCIE isn't that weighty of an
> > accomplishment, relative to some of those other credentials.
> >
> > I've said it before, I'll say it again: what severely weakens the
> > difficulty of the CCIE is the fact that you can simply take it over and
> > over
> > and over again until you finally pass. Sure, it costs money, sure it
> > takes
> > time, but nevertheless you can just keep taking the test repeatedly
> > until
> > you finally get the particular set of questions that you know well.
> > That
> > sort of process has no parallel in those other credential processes.
> > For
> > example, take the PhD qualification exams (which don't allow you to
> > graduate, but merely allow you to advance to candidacy status). Almost
> > all
> > respectable programs have a finite limit to the number of times you can
> > fail
> > those exams, usually being 2-3 attempts, with some (harsh) programs
> > allowing
> > you only ONE attempt. Once you exceed that threshold, that's it: the
> > game
> > is over and you're officially and irrevocably expelled from the program.
> >
> > Similarly, once you're a candidate who has submitted your thesis, you
> > can't
> > just keep failing your oral defense over and over again until you
> > finally
> > succeed. After a certain number of defense failures, your candidacy will
> > be
> > revoked. But a CCIE "candidate" can repeatedly attempt the test with
> > impunity.
> >
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