From: darth router (darklordrouter@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Mar 11 2008 - 14:00:38 ARST
CCIE is a higher level knob pushing monkey :)
Honestly guys, my buddy friend is an MBA, and makes significantly less than
I do. An MBA doesn't necessarily land you an executive job. In fact, this
might be a stretch, but degrees to me are pretty easy, they just take time
and busy work, even an
MBA. Half the battle is just showing up for class or doing that
homework (busy work).
The CCIE is by far the hardest test I've ever
done. I'm not dogging traditional school. I have a
bachelors, but they are two completely different animals. The CCIE to
me was an instant shortcut into a better pay grade.
The degree, with exceptions, that just shows people you were able to show up
for class and aren't a complete idiot :P
On 3/11/08, Salau, Yemi <yemi.salau@siemens.com> wrote:
>
> Wise talks NRF
>
> At the end of the day, we all need to ask ourselves why we're going for
> this CCIE of a thing. There is no comparison though with traditional
> qualifications ie. Phd or even Professorship. I've met people in my
> career who knows a lot more than most CCIEs.... I'm yet to meet people
> who knows that Professors at their special areas of interest.
>
> What I'm saying is, the Phd & Prof. World is very parallel to the CCIE
> side of things, I'm speaking as a CCIE who is one the other side of the
> road ... So I know what I'm saying. People do CCIEs just for the fun of
> it, others to guarantee job interviews, some more money, others more
> respect. But CCIE itself is just the beginning for some people.
> Whichever way you see CCIE as, it's still very well respected in the IT
> industry... And with it comes greater responsibility... However CCIEs
> hardly invent anything in life ... Most Professors do!
>
> I'm not saying CCIE is lower than Phd or otherwise, from my own first
> hand perspective, I think they are 2 parallel planes that can't
> intersect on a common ground. Having said that, I still find it hard to
> believe that there are Phd holders from MIT in the unemployment
> industry.
>
> Many Thanks
>
>
> Yemi Salau
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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>
> nrf
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> Subject: Re: How to Become a CCIE v2
>
>
> > Many managers have no idea how tough the CCIE is. But then again, can
> you
> > blame them? Lately there seems to be an outpouring of posts on people
>
> > passing
> > the CCIE in 3, or even 2 months. How many people have completed their
> > Master's degrees in two months? If it was accredited, I'll bet the
> answer
> > is
> > 0.
>
> Actually, not only do I completely agree with you here, I'll not only
> call
> you, but also raise you. While managers may not have any idea how tough
> the
> CCIE is, well, let's be honest guys, how tough is it really, relative to
>
> other credentials one could earn? Few if any people can earn a real
> (that
> is, an accredited) master's degree in just 2-3 months, and certainly
> earning
> a Phd in such a time frame is infeasible for all except supra-geniuses,
> as
> even Einstein needed over a year to be awarded his. Heck, since the
> MIT
> PhD was brought up, I know quite a few people who have been working on
> their
> PhD's at MIT for over 6 years full-time who still haven't completed the
> degree. To repeat, that's working on the degree FULL-TIME, which means
> they
> don't have a job (in other words, earning the degree IS their job).
> Honestly, how many of us would really need 6 years of full-time study in
>
> order to pass the CCIE? Hence, while I realize that this is a
> discordant
> position to take, the fact is, the CCIE isn't that weighty of an
> accomplishment, relative to some of those other credentials.
>
> I've said it before, I'll say it again: what severely weakens the
> difficulty of the CCIE is the fact that you can simply take it over and
> over
> and over again until you finally pass. Sure, it costs money, sure it
> takes
> time, but nevertheless you can just keep taking the test repeatedly
> until
> you finally get the particular set of questions that you know well.
> That
> sort of process has no parallel in those other credential processes.
> For
> example, take the PhD qualification exams (which don't allow you to
> graduate, but merely allow you to advance to candidacy status). Almost
> all
> respectable programs have a finite limit to the number of times you can
> fail
> those exams, usually being 2-3 attempts, with some (harsh) programs
> allowing
> you only ONE attempt. Once you exceed that threshold, that's it: the
> game
> is over and you're officially and irrevocably expelled from the program.
>
> Similarly, once you're a candidate who has submitted your thesis, you
> can't
> just keep failing your oral defense over and over again until you
> finally
> succeed. After a certain number of defense failures, your candidacy will
> be
> revoked. But a CCIE "candidate" can repeatedly attempt the test with
> impunity.
>
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