From: Carl Yost Jr. (yostc@sunpenguin.net)
Date: Tue Mar 11 2008 - 10:23:40 ARST
Here we go again.... Wah wah wah...
These OT posts about this stuff is really doesn't help in the spirit of
the forum. Isn't there an OT list that could be created for this stuff ?
Seriously every two months you see this break out. CCIE vs degrees vs
..... How can anyone compare a CCIE to a PHD? Seriously let it go, no
one cares.
nrf wrote:
>> Many managers have no idea how tough the CCIE is. But then again,
>> can you
>> blame them? Lately there seems to be an outpouring of posts on
>> people passing
>> the CCIE in 3, or even 2 months. How many people have completed their
>> Master's degrees in two months? If it was accredited, I'll bet the
>> answer is
>> 0.
>
> Actually, not only do I completely agree with you here, I'll not only
> call you, but also raise you. While managers may not have any idea
> how tough the CCIE is, well, let's be honest guys, how tough is it
> really, relative to other credentials one could earn? Few if any
> people can earn a real (that is, an accredited) master's degree in
> just 2-3 months, and certainly earning a Phd in such a time frame is
> infeasible for all except supra-geniuses, as even Einstein needed over
> a year to be awarded his. Heck, since the MIT PhD was brought up, I
> know quite a few people who have been working on their PhD's at MIT
> for over 6 years full-time who still haven't completed the degree. To
> repeat, that's working on the degree FULL-TIME, which means they don't
> have a job (in other words, earning the degree IS their job).
> Honestly, how many of us would really need 6 years of full-time study
> in order to pass the CCIE? Hence, while I realize that this is a
> discordant position to take, the fact is, the CCIE isn't that weighty
> of an accomplishment, relative to some of those other credentials.
>
> I've said it before, I'll say it again: what severely weakens the
> difficulty of the CCIE is the fact that you can simply take it over
> and over and over again until you finally pass. Sure, it costs money,
> sure it takes time, but nevertheless you can just keep taking the test
> repeatedly until you finally get the particular set of questions that
> you know well. That sort of process has no parallel in those other
> credential processes. For example, take the PhD qualification exams
> (which don't allow you to graduate, but merely allow you to advance to
> candidacy status). Almost all respectable programs have a finite
> limit to the number of times you can fail those exams, usually being
> 2-3 attempts, with some (harsh) programs allowing you only ONE
> attempt. Once you exceed that threshold, that's it: the game is over
> and you're officially and irrevocably expelled from the program.
> Similarly, once you're a candidate who has submitted your thesis, you
> can't just keep failing your oral defense over and over again until
> you finally succeed. After a certain number of defense failures, your
> candidacy will be revoked. But a CCIE "candidate" can repeatedly
> attempt the test with impunity.
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