From: Duncan Maccubbin (duncan.maccubbin@earthlink.net)
Date: Tue Mar 11 2008 - 11:23:57 ARST
Uhhh...the fact it comes up every two months and lives for a while shows lots of people care.
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Carl Yost Jr." <yostc@sunpenguin.net>
>Sent: Mar 11, 2008 7:23 AM
>To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: Re: How to Become a CCIE v2
>
>Here we go again.... Wah wah wah...
>
>These OT posts about this stuff is really doesn't help in the spirit of
>the forum. Isn't there an OT list that could be created for this stuff ?
>
>Seriously every two months you see this break out. CCIE vs degrees vs
>..... How can anyone compare a CCIE to a PHD? Seriously let it go, no
>one cares.
>
>
>
>nrf wrote:
>>> Many managers have no idea how tough the CCIE is. But then again,
>>> can you
>>> blame them? Lately there seems to be an outpouring of posts on
>>> people passing
>>> the CCIE in 3, or even 2 months. How many people have completed their
>>> Master's degrees in two months? If it was accredited, I'll bet the
>>> answer is
>>> 0.
>>
>> Actually, not only do I completely agree with you here, I'll not only
>> call you, but also raise you. While managers may not have any idea
>> how tough the CCIE is, well, let's be honest guys, how tough is it
>> really, relative to other credentials one could earn? Few if any
>> people can earn a real (that is, an accredited) master's degree in
>> just 2-3 months, and certainly earning a Phd in such a time frame is
>> infeasible for all except supra-geniuses, as even Einstein needed over
>> a year to be awarded his. Heck, since the MIT PhD was brought up, I
>> know quite a few people who have been working on their PhD's at MIT
>> for over 6 years full-time who still haven't completed the degree. To
>> repeat, that's working on the degree FULL-TIME, which means they don't
>> have a job (in other words, earning the degree IS their job).
>> Honestly, how many of us would really need 6 years of full-time study
>> in order to pass the CCIE? Hence, while I realize that this is a
>> discordant position to take, the fact is, the CCIE isn't that weighty
>> of an accomplishment, relative to some of those other credentials.
>>
>> I've said it before, I'll say it again: what severely weakens the
>> difficulty of the CCIE is the fact that you can simply take it over
>> and over and over again until you finally pass. Sure, it costs money,
>> sure it takes time, but nevertheless you can just keep taking the test
>> repeatedly until you finally get the particular set of questions that
>> you know well. That sort of process has no parallel in those other
>> credential processes. For example, take the PhD qualification exams
>> (which don't allow you to graduate, but merely allow you to advance to
>> candidacy status). Almost all respectable programs have a finite
>> limit to the number of times you can fail those exams, usually being
>> 2-3 attempts, with some (harsh) programs allowing you only ONE
>> attempt. Once you exceed that threshold, that's it: the game is over
>> and you're officially and irrevocably expelled from the program.
>> Similarly, once you're a candidate who has submitted your thesis, you
>> can't just keep failing your oral defense over and over again until
>> you finally succeed. After a certain number of defense failures, your
>> candidacy will be revoked. But a CCIE "candidate" can repeatedly
>> attempt the test with impunity.
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