From: Scott Morris (swm@emanon.com)
Date: Sun Feb 24 2008 - 00:14:57 ARST
80% of people believe they are better than average drivers. :)
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Varriale
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 9:08 AM
To: 'nortic @hackermail.com'
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Moving away from Cisco
Not everyone can be above average.
Tony
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
nortic @hackermail.com
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 3:04 AM
To: Joseph Brunner; 'Gary Duncanson'; 'Alan Chng'
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Moving away from Cisco
When the most common job at cisco is a software engineer earning more than
the average ccie, you know there is no money in Cisco, perhaps its time to
up the silver/gold requirements to provide better paid jobs.
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2008/snapshots/6.html
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> To: "'Gary Duncanson'" <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>, "'Alan Chng'"
<ccieteam@gmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Moving away from Cisco
> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:52:52 -0500
>
>
> I actually got the pleasure of meeting some financial field unix
> infrastructure engineers. They develop something like webshere and
> j2ee, etc. I can guarantee no CCIE san/voice/security makes what these
> guys
make.
> Even working in IRAQ, etc.
>
> I nearly fell off my chair when I heard what their bonus plan is. I
> even felt that tingling burning under my tongue I haven't felt since a
> good school yard fist fight... They said it best "there is no money in
Cisco".
> They are dead right.
>
> Every day I'm more and more convinced we are in a field where there is
> little distinction between a clown CCNP who comes in and breaks
everything,
> and a CCIE who knows real world issues and rfc's both like the back of
> his hand.
>
> Oh, well, definitely diversify... and read up on those two... maybe
> this
is
> your lucky day...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
Gary
> Duncanson
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:03 AM
> To: Alan Chng
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Moving away from Cisco
>
> Why not?..variety is the spice of life. Besides I already work with
> lots
of
> different vendors as do many others on the list.
>
> Gary
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Chng" <ccieteam@gmail.com>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:23 PM
> Subject: Moving away from Cisco
>
>
> > Fellow experts,
> >
> >
> > Considering the amount of time and 'sacrifice' made to
> > achieve
the
> > CCIE and make our mark in the networking field, would anyone here
> > contemplate on moving to a role supporting another vendor (e.g.
> > Alcatel, Tellabs, Ericsson) ??. I'm referring to a role which
> > requires in-house training to learn the intricacies, proprietary
> > protocols and CLI of the vendor and be completely "isolated" from
> > the Cisco world. I'm
discounting
> > Juniper since I tend to see them in the same market segment.
> >
> > Would anyone do it? And if so, what would be the factor? Better
opportunity?
> > Less competition? Another challenge?
> >
> > I find the switchover challenging as I believe a lot of us started
> > the
CCIE
> > journey more as a hobby and through the course of the time and
> > developed
a
> > familiarity to the IOS, not to mention the resources, information,
> > forums/communities that are widely available today.
> >
> >
> > Any opinions will be much appreciated
> >
> > Regards,
> > Alan
> > CCNP/IP/SP, R&S due in May
>
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