From: Patrick Galligan (pgalligan@gmail.com)
Date: Sat Feb 23 2008 - 20:07:46 ARST
Could the people at Cisco that write the IOS code by classified as a
"Software Engineer IV"? How many people would have a job title of
"CCIE" anyway? Probably none, because CCIE is a certification not a
job title. So the IOS code writers could also be CCIE's. Even if they
aren't, you would expect someone writing IOS code to know at least as
much as a CCIE about networking technologies.
Anyway, if you're doing the CCIE for money, you're doing it for the
wrong reason IMO.
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Scott Vermillion
<scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com> wrote:
> That's pretty depressing on the surface, but recent salary surveys that I've
> read suggest the average CCIE across the USA earns something *fairly* close
> to that "Software Engineer IV" salary. But those guys and gals in the
> Fortune article are mostly concentrated in San Jose (over 16k at that site
> alone!), which is arguably a pretty expensive place to live. My guess would
> be that the average CCIE working at Cisco's SJ HQ earns quite a bit more
> than the software weenies (but a guess it would only be). I guess I'm
> thankful that the most prevalent position at Cisco was _not_ "CCIE IV"...
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>
> nortic @hackermail.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 2:04 AM
> To: Joseph Brunner; 'Gary Duncanson'; 'Alan Chng'
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>
>
> Subject: RE: Moving away from Cisco
>
> When the most common job at cisco is a software engineer earning more than
> the average ccie, you know there is no money in Cisco, perhaps its time to
> up the silver/gold requirements to provide better paid jobs.
> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2008/snapshots/6.html
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> > To: "'Gary Duncanson'" <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>, "'Alan Chng'"
> <ccieteam@gmail.com>
> > Subject: RE: Moving away from Cisco
> > Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:52:52 -0500
> >
> >
> > I actually got the pleasure of meeting some financial field unix
> > infrastructure engineers. They develop something like webshere and j2ee,
> > etc. I can guarantee no CCIE san/voice/security makes what these guys
> make.
> > Even working in IRAQ, etc.
> >
> > I nearly fell off my chair when I heard what their bonus plan is. I even
> > felt that tingling burning under my tongue I haven't felt since a good
> > school yard fist fight... They said it best "there is no money in Cisco".
> > They are dead right.
> >
> > Every day I'm more and more convinced we are in a field where there is
> > little distinction between a clown CCNP who comes in and breaks
> everything,
> > and a CCIE who knows real world issues and rfc's both like the back of his
> > hand.
> >
> > Oh, well, definitely diversify... and read up on those two... maybe this
> is
> > your lucky day...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Gary
> > Duncanson
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:03 AM
> > To: Alan Chng
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: Moving away from Cisco
> >
> > Why not?..variety is the spice of life. Besides I already work with lots
> of
> > different vendors as do many others on the list.
> >
> > Gary
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alan Chng" <ccieteam@gmail.com>
> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:23 PM
> > Subject: Moving away from Cisco
> >
> >
> > > Fellow experts,
> > >
> > >
> > > Considering the amount of time and 'sacrifice' made to achieve
> the
> > > CCIE and make our mark in the networking field, would anyone here
> > > contemplate on moving to a role supporting another vendor (e.g. Alcatel,
> > > Tellabs, Ericsson) ??. I'm referring to a role which requires in-house
> > > training to learn the intricacies, proprietary protocols and CLI of the
> > > vendor and be completely "isolated" from the Cisco world. I'm
> discounting
> > > Juniper since I tend to see them in the same market segment.
> > >
> > > Would anyone do it? And if so, what would be the factor? Better
> opportunity?
> > > Less competition? Another challenge?
> > >
> > > I find the switchover challenging as I believe a lot of us started the
> CCIE
> > > journey more as a hobby and through the course of the time and developed
> a
> > > familiarity to the IOS, not to mention the resources, information,
> > > forums/communities that are widely available today.
> > >
> > >
> > > Any opinions will be much appreciated
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Alan
> > > CCNP/IP/SP, R&S due in May
>
> >
>
>
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