From: Scott Morris (smorris@ipexpert.com)
Date: Sat Feb 23 2008 - 19:38:49 ARST
heheeh... Very true. According to CNN's cost of living calculator, a
salary of $160,000 in San Jose is comparable to:
$96,000 in Cincinnati, OH
$117,000 in Chicago, IL
$106,000 in Denver, CO
Or:
$214,000 in Manhattan (New York, NY)
http://cgi.money.cnn.com/tools/costofliving/costofliving.html?step=form&x=37
&y=10
:)
Everything has it's little skew!
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Scott Vermillion
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 12:13 AM
To: 'nortic @hackermail.com'; 'Joseph Brunner'; 'Gary Duncanson'; 'Alan
Chng'
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Moving away from Cisco
That's pretty depressing on the surface, but recent salary surveys that I've
read suggest the average CCIE across the USA earns something *fairly* close
to that "Software Engineer IV" salary. But those guys and gals in the
Fortune article are mostly concentrated in San Jose (over 16k at that site
alone!), which is arguably a pretty expensive place to live. My guess would
be that the average CCIE working at Cisco's SJ HQ earns quite a bit more
than the software weenies (but a guess it would only be). I guess I'm
thankful that the most prevalent position at Cisco was _not_ "CCIE IV"...
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
nortic @hackermail.com
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 2:04 AM
To: Joseph Brunner; 'Gary Duncanson'; 'Alan Chng'
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Moving away from Cisco
When the most common job at cisco is a software engineer earning more than
the average ccie, you know there is no money in Cisco, perhaps its time to
up the silver/gold requirements to provide better paid jobs.
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2008/snapshots/6.html
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> To: "'Gary Duncanson'" <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>, "'Alan Chng'"
<ccieteam@gmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Moving away from Cisco
> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:52:52 -0500
>
>
> I actually got the pleasure of meeting some financial field unix
> infrastructure engineers. They develop something like webshere and
> j2ee, etc. I can guarantee no CCIE san/voice/security makes what these
> guys
make.
> Even working in IRAQ, etc.
>
> I nearly fell off my chair when I heard what their bonus plan is. I
> even felt that tingling burning under my tongue I haven't felt since a
> good school yard fist fight... They said it best "there is no money in
Cisco".
> They are dead right.
>
> Every day I'm more and more convinced we are in a field where there is
> little distinction between a clown CCNP who comes in and breaks
everything,
> and a CCIE who knows real world issues and rfc's both like the back of
> his hand.
>
> Oh, well, definitely diversify... and read up on those two... maybe
> this
is
> your lucky day...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
Gary
> Duncanson
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:03 AM
> To: Alan Chng
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Moving away from Cisco
>
> Why not?..variety is the spice of life. Besides I already work with
> lots
of
> different vendors as do many others on the list.
>
> Gary
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Chng" <ccieteam@gmail.com>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:23 PM
> Subject: Moving away from Cisco
>
>
> > Fellow experts,
> >
> >
> > Considering the amount of time and 'sacrifice' made to
> > achieve
the
> > CCIE and make our mark in the networking field, would anyone here
> > contemplate on moving to a role supporting another vendor (e.g.
> > Alcatel, Tellabs, Ericsson) ??. I'm referring to a role which
> > requires in-house training to learn the intricacies, proprietary
> > protocols and CLI of the vendor and be completely "isolated" from
> > the Cisco world. I'm
discounting
> > Juniper since I tend to see them in the same market segment.
> >
> > Would anyone do it? And if so, what would be the factor? Better
opportunity?
> > Less competition? Another challenge?
> >
> > I find the switchover challenging as I believe a lot of us started
> > the
CCIE
> > journey more as a hobby and through the course of the time and
> > developed
a
> > familiarity to the IOS, not to mention the resources, information,
> > forums/communities that are widely available today.
> >
> >
> > Any opinions will be much appreciated
> >
> > Regards,
> > Alan
> > CCNP/IP/SP, R&S due in May
>
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