From: Colin McNamara (colin@2cups.com)
Date: Sun Feb 17 2008 - 18:08:22 ARST
The Gist of the message inside of Cisco is that the CCDE exists because
many CCIE's are progressing from making the bits and bytes go left and
right to design and architecture roles. The CCDE is here to address
those role changes.
Keep in mind that Cisco is a big ITIL shop, following the Prepare, Plan,
Design, Implement, Operate, Optimize methodology, and is split into
Design/Architecture groups and Operations groups. Many fortune 50/500
clients have moved, or are in the process of moving towards this
architecture.
The CCDE certification provides a cert that accurately encompasses the
role of the design groups, and a cert for CCIE's that have "moved on" in
their careers.
The one other thing that hasn't really been discussed much is how Cisco
tries to manage channel partner performance. In the past Cisco has done
this by requiring a certain number of CCIE's per level of partner
certification. My guess is that Cisco will require partners to have a
CCDE on staff for Masters their masters certifications (super gold
partner).
Just my 2 Cents.
-- Colin McNamara (858)208-8105 CCIE #18233,RHCE,GCIH http://www.colinmcnamara.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/colinmcnamara"The difficult we do immediately, the impossible just takes a little longer"
On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 20:02 -0800, Darby Weaver wrote: > I'd suppose most everyone is asking the same question > about the CCDE. I still remember the last time the > CCIE-Design cert was offered and never made it as an > offering to the people who passed that written exam. > > > > The question I'd ask myself if I had already achieved > one or even more CCIE's is this: > > Am I seeing the Return on Investment? > > If not, another certification may not be the answer. > > If yes, then carry on. > > > For myself, I think certs help, if nothing else they > make me more confident at my job. > > However, I've seen a lot of people get the certs and > get their feelings hurt too. > > Employers do not throw money at you just cause you got > some more letters behind your name. > > Usually they have problems and they like to hire > people who understand the problems and can be expected > to create solutions to those problems. > > That's the bargain we are in the game for. > > Maybe the first CCDE's might see some increased value, > but I always wonder in the back of my mind why out of > the first CCIE's to make the 10 Year mark only a few > are still active CCIE's in the first place. > > Yes - there will be lots of answers to this one, but I > still wonder. > > > > Congrats on having earned one or more CCIE's. > > > --- Arun Kumar Arumuganainar <aarumuga@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > Any idea what it looks like ??? > > > > I wanted to know more information about the lab on > > the cisco web site . May > > some one here can throw some light. > > > > Having finished couple of CCIEs I am wondering if it > > is worth looking at it? I > > am assuming (if it involves lab) it will involve > > significant amount of prep > > time and hence wanted to think twice before making a > > decision. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > arun > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Post free property ads on Yello Classifieds now! > > www.yello.in > > http://ss1.richmedia.in/recurl.asp?pid=221 > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Subscription information may be found at: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > _______________________________________________________________________ > Subscription information may be found at: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
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