From: Joe Harris, CCIE# 6200 (jfh6200@tx.rr.com)
Date: Sun Feb 17 2008 - 14:12:30 ARST
Hi Mihai (& Groupstudy),
I was asked by the CCDE team to remove to the post as some the information
contained in it was not quite ready for external distribution. Once more of
the data is finalized I was promised another interview which I would be able
to post externally. I apologize for any inconveniences. In the mean time you
can get the most up to date information regarding the CCDE at
http://www.cisco.com/go/ccde.
-Joe
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Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 7:47 AM
To: Joe Harris, CCIE# 6200
Cc: Robert McCallum; Scott Morris; Darby Weaver; Arun Kumar Arumuganainar;
Cisco certification; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: What is CCDE?
You removed the post from your blog :((
Mihai
On Feb 16, 2008 2:14 PM, Joe Harris, CCIE# 6200 <jfh6200@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> Having spoken personally with the individual responsible for creating the
> CCDE on multiple occasions you can expect that that CCDE will be for many
> harder than the CCIE..You can read the complete interview I had with him
at
> my blog: http://6200networks.com/?p=258. He details what your CCDE Lab
> experience may consist of (note the use of the word 'may'). If you read it
> completely then watch the InformIT interviews at the bottom of the page,
you
> may also gain some insight into a couple of other exams Cisco is
considering
> that make the CCDE & CCIE look like a CCNA exam.
>
> Question:
> How is Cisco going to make the network industry see the CCDE as equal to
the
> CCIE? That's the only way management is going to see its benefit and pay
> higher wages for people who have the cert.
>
> Answer:
> I think the difficulty of the test is going to provide this. In fact, my
> guess is, folks will wind up thinking it's harder than the IE. At least
> that's what we hope will happen. In fact, I think we're going to have to
> backfill the IE at some point, but we have another certification to do
> before we can do that work.
>
> This week, I'm told, we had 30 takers, and the average pass rate was about
> 50%. That's a bit better than we expected, and we might adjust the cut
score
> in the future, but there's no telling right now. It's hard to tell with
this
> small of a sample. The process we've used is something management type
folks
> will also care about--the psychometrics on the written exam have been
> incredible--this is probably the most reviewed set of questions we've ever
> done.
>
> -Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>
> Robert McCallum
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 4:43 AM
> To: 'Scott Morris'; 'Darby Weaver'; 'Arun Kumar Arumuganainar'; 'Cisco
> certification'; 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: RE: What is CCDE?
>
> I failed the beta written by 2 marks. After question 200 I gave up and
> became disinterested (maybe that's why I scored as well lol). Anyway I
sat
> the real deal yesterday and boy was that a bloody tough exam. Pass mark
70
> and I got 70. lucky? Damn right I had written it off as a fail. I have
> now sat about 8 ccie written exams - this was by far the hardest (or maybe
> its just that im getting older).
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Scott Morris
> > Sent: 16 February 2008 05:49
> > To: 'Darby Weaver'; 'Arun Kumar Arumuganainar'; 'Cisco certification';
> > 'Cisco certification'
> > Subject: RE: What is CCDE?
> >
> > Progress? Evolution? Challenges?
> >
> > Is the question any different for having more than one CCIE versus
adding
> > your CCDE to the mix? Keep in mind that there's no "must have CCIE"
> > prerequisite for participating in the CCDE track. So this could simply
be
> > seen as the logical extension of the CCDA/CCDP tracks. The CCIE Design
> > was
> > an interesting, but not-fully-baked idea (genetic fluke that occurs
before
> > full onset evolution?). ;)
> >
> > ROI? If you are working for a company, not likely unless you meet some
> > requirement. If you are independent, then it's called marketing!
> >
> > Otherwise, it's just called sadistic.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Darby Weaver
> > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 11:03 PM
> > To: Arun Kumar Arumuganainar; 'Cisco certification'; 'Cisco
certification'
> > Subject: Re: What is CCDE?
> >
> > I'd suppose most everyone is asking the same question about the CCDE. I
> > still remember the last time the CCIE-Design cert was offered and never
> > made
> > it as an offering to the people who passed that written exam.
> >
> >
> >
> > The question I'd ask myself if I had already achieved one or even more
> > CCIE's is this:
> >
> > Am I seeing the Return on Investment?
> >
> > If not, another certification may not be the answer.
> >
> > If yes, then carry on.
> >
> >
> > For myself, I think certs help, if nothing else they make me more
> > confident
> > at my job.
> >
> > However, I've seen a lot of people get the certs and get their feelings
> > hurt
> > too.
> >
> > Employers do not throw money at you just cause you got some more letters
> > behind your name.
> >
> > Usually they have problems and they like to hire people who understand
the
> > problems and can be expected to create solutions to those problems.
> >
> > That's the bargain we are in the game for.
> >
> > Maybe the first CCDE's might see some increased value, but I always
wonder
> > in the back of my mind why out of the first CCIE's to make the 10 Year
> > mark
> > only a few are still active CCIE's in the first place.
> >
> > Yes - there will be lots of answers to this one, but I still wonder.
> >
> >
> >
> > Congrats on having earned one or more CCIE's.
> >
> >
> > --- Arun Kumar Arumuganainar <aarumuga@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Any idea what it looks like ???
> > >
> > > I wanted to know more information about the lab on the cisco web site
> > > . May some one here can throw some light.
> > >
> > > Having finished couple of CCIEs I am wondering if it is worth looking
> > > at it? I am assuming (if it involves lab) it will involve significant
> > > amount of prep time and hence wanted to think twice before making a
> > > decision.
> > >
> > > Thanks and Regards
> > > arun
> > >
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