From: JoJo JoJo (barrerj1@hotmail.com)
Date: Sun Feb 17 2008 - 16:20:40 ARST
Let me clarify. I have no relationship with IPexpert; Im just another student
trying to get my Voice IE but I think is time to put this to rest.
I attended the same bootcamp as JP and had the opportunity to observe how
IPexpert presented the material for the Voice Bootcamp.
The requirements to attend such bootcamp were to cover at least 50% of the
material before attending the bootcamp. I consider this to be a paramount of
a successful experience otherwise anyone planning to attend such bootcamps
with any CCIE training vendor is not really using the resources wisely unless
you have tons to money of limited time to pass such difficult test like the
Voice IE (access to hardware, instructor, time away from work and family etc.)
As always there were people taking the boocamp from all over the world like,
Brasil, Netherlands, South Africa, and the good old USA.
I've already personally congratulated JP for his success and I wish him all
the best for accomplishing something that a lot of people are still working
on, including me hoping to get it in the next few months.
JP writes:
I started this journey in early 2007, I cleared the written after> > >
reading> > > all the recommended cisco press books. Then my company supported
me in> > > buying all the voice lab equipment which I setup in my office.> > >
They also approved for me to go on a bootcamp, and I choose to go to the> > >
IPexpert for 12 days.> > >> > > I bought all IPexpert products including COD
and spent more then> > > $10,000.> > > However I found their bootcamp
demoralizing and disappointing. I was> > > discouraged and told that no one
could pass the lab in the first> > > attempt.
JP, you were not ready for the bootcamp and that's why I think you had a bad
experience with the IPexpert. I was surprised that you were willing to spend
all this money when you were still working on the basics after passing the
written test. You were already a CCIE R&S so the process was not new to you
and you knew what it takes to pass the lab. You said that you were there
because your employer was paying for it, so why not. I guess that's right I
would have done the same, however, its somehow not fair to put IPexpert as
the sum all of all evil. The instructor was helping you through the whole
bootcamp (12 days, for 12hrs he was available to you) with basic
configurations questions since you have never work with CM before (based on
what you said) and I could see yours and his frustration since he also needed
to help the other students including me who scheduled to take their labs at
the end of the bootcamp or couple of weeks after.
I'm sure all us here as part of the groupstudy community are very happy for
you for passing a very difficult test, but lets try to be accurate about it.
No one is going to tell you what's on the test even if they know about it. I
dont think IPexpert was withholding information in anyway, the training
material and the labs were as close as you can get to the real thing in my
opinion (some may disagreed but thats another discussion). As you've
discovered the key to success is not only the bootcamp. It's a combination of
studying like you did for 2 whole months 18hrs a day(even more), practicing
multiple workbooks and maybe even attending multiple bootcamps, each personal
strategy is different and looks like yours paid off.
Im not taking anybody sides, JP I how frustrating can be when you are not
ready for a bootcamp, I have my own experiences, but after that I realized
that that the instructors were not there to hold my hand and answer questions
that I shouldve know before I went there.
Once again congratulations on your accomplishment.
Jorge Barrera CCIE R&S 13691
Delivery Voice Consultant
> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:22:01 -0500> From: dane.newman@gmail.com> To:
swm@emanon.com> Subject: Re: Finally Pass Voice Lab on first attempt> CC:
jatinder.p.singh@bt.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com> > Let me clarify my stance
here> > I 100% agree with the IPexpert folks and the majority of the list. But
We> are all adults and able to make our on decisions about right and wrong
and> who is telling the truth or not. I think everyone has a right to say
what> they want. I think it somewhat diminishes us all when even the most
wrong> of people are told they can't voice there opinion though.> > > On
2/14/08, Dane Newman <dane.newman@gmail.com> wrote:> >> > Seriously people.
Everyone has a right to there own views. I can> > understand why the IPEXPERT
folks are jumping in here (they have to defend> > there business and
rightfully so from what I seen its the Marjory of people> > love them) but why
jump down this guys throat? He has a right to think and> > voice what he
thinks. When selling a product you will never have 100%> > success rate with
everyone. Why is it not ok that someone was unhappy with> > there purchase
even if the majority of people where?> >> > Dane> >> >> > On 2/13/08, Scott
Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:> > >> > > Congratulations on passing...
Congratulations on getting the> > > assistance> > > that you felt you needed
there.> > >> > > But I cannot understand why you feel the need to dredge up
the same> > > false> > > allegations that you have brought up on numerous
boards (including this> > > one)> > > before. On other boards, I have sat back
twiddling my fingers and just> > > thinking of all the things I probably
shouldn't say. But it goes on and> > > on> > > and on. You've posted to this
board before. You've gotten responses on> > > this board before. And then you
disappear.> > >> > > Other than pointing out the obvious inaccuracies
regarding your "lack of> > > support" problems (check the archives for those
who are bored and/or> > > interested), and not mentioning the multiple
personal phone calls you> > > got> > > from instructors including one who gave
you a phone number while he was> > > at> > > his mother's house so you had a
local call in the UK...> > >> > > But now we have something new here. The idea
that anyone deliberately> > > withheld information in order to prolong your> >
> studying? Cute. Definitely> > > not accurate, but cute!> > >> > > I'll give
you credit, because in the past you haven't responded to any> > > offers to
figure out what your perceived errors or support problems> > > were.> > > you
simply post a message and run and hide. Or perhaps ran to> > > study. But> > >
now you're being inventive. I will give you credit for that, at least> > >
you> > > have made me laugh this morning.> > >> > > On the good note of
things, as you go forward in your career I suppose> > > we> > > will at least
be able to honestly say "It isn't IPexpert's fault". :)> > >> > > But I really
wish you wouldn't bother spouting lies. It simply> > > belittles> > > your
accomplishment here.> > >> > > Congratulations on passing.> > >> > >> > >
Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,> > >
JNCIE-M> > > #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.> > > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER> > > VP -
Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.> > > IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor> >
>> > > A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!> > >> > >
smorris@ipexpert.com> > >> > >> > >> > > Telephone:
+1.810.326.1444 > > > Fax: +1.810.454.0130> > > http://www.ipexpert.com>
> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From:
nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of> > >
jatinder.p.singh@bt.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 7:18 AM> > >
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com> > > Subject: Finally Pass Voice Lab on first
attempt> > >> > > Dear All,> > >> > > Yesterday, I passed my ccie voice lab at
brussels on my first attempt.> > > Firstly I would like to thank all who
helped me towards achieving this> > > goal.> > > Special thanks to Tarun
pahuja, and the CCBootcamp team (Brad) who gave> > > me> > > personal support.
Even though I did not buy any of their products they> > > gave> > > their
personal contact details and helped me when I needed much help.> > >> > > I
started this journey in early 2007, I cleared the written after> > > reading>
> > all the recommended cisco press books. Then my company supported me in> >
> buying all the voice lab equipment which I setup in my office.> > > They
also approved for me to go on a bootcamp, and I choose to go to the> > >
IPexpert for 12 days.> > >> > > I bought all IPexpert products including COD
and spent more then> > > $10,000.> > > However I found their bootcamp
demoralizing and disappointing . I was> > > discouraged and told that no one
could pass the lab in the first> > > attempt.> > > I felt they were hiding
things from me so as to prolong my studies so as> > > to> > > keep me
lingering on.. Their support was terrible, their workbook had> > > errors,
little explanations and I found myself spending hours being> > > frustrated
when things would not work due to ommisions or things not> > > explained
properly. As a customer I expect a teaching product to be> > > accurate and
explain things so as to reinforce my technical> > > abilities, but> > > soon I
discovered that their strategy was to hide things, to make me it> > >
difficult instead and to mentally discourage me so that I was> > > guaranteed
to> > > fail on first attempt.> > >> > > However I kept positive and
determined to pass this exam and made a> > > challenge to pass it on my first
attempt. I spent the next two months> > > off> > > work and studying 15-18
hours per day and working on my weaknesses.> > > I consulted the cisco press
books several times until I was comfortable> > > with> > > every technology
and spent hours on-hands practising on all the> > > technologies.> > >> > >
From my experience the lab was not as hard as I thought it would be. I> > >
got> > > back from Brussels today and saw the good news.. now its time for a>
> > break> > > and some celebration.> > >> > > Thanks to you all.....> > >> >
> J P Singh> > >> > > CCIE (R & S , Voice)> > >> > >
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