From: sheherezada@gmail.com
Date: Sun Feb 17 2008 - 11:46:41 ARST
You removed the post from your blog :((
Mihai
On Feb 16, 2008 2:14 PM, Joe Harris, CCIE# 6200 <jfh6200@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> Having spoken personally with the individual responsible for creating the
> CCDE on multiple occasions you can expect that that CCDE will be for many
> harder than the CCIE..You can read the complete interview I had with him at
> my blog: http://6200networks.com/?p=258. He details what your CCDE Lab
> experience may consist of (note the use of the word 'may'). If you read it
> completely then watch the InformIT interviews at the bottom of the page, you
> may also gain some insight into a couple of other exams Cisco is considering
> that make the CCDE & CCIE look like a CCNA exam.
>
> Question:
> How is Cisco going to make the network industry see the CCDE as equal to the
> CCIE? That's the only way management is going to see its benefit and pay
> higher wages for people who have the cert.
>
> Answer:
> I think the difficulty of the test is going to provide this. In fact, my
> guess is, folks will wind up thinking it's harder than the IE. At least
> that's what we hope will happen. In fact, I think we're going to have to
> backfill the IE at some point, but we have another certification to do
> before we can do that work.
>
> This week, I'm told, we had 30 takers, and the average pass rate was about
> 50%. That's a bit better than we expected, and we might adjust the cut score
> in the future, but there's no telling right now. It's hard to tell with this
> small of a sample. The process we've used is something management type folks
> will also care about--the psychometrics on the written exam have been
> incredible--this is probably the most reviewed set of questions we've ever
> done.
>
> -Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>
> Robert McCallum
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 4:43 AM
> To: 'Scott Morris'; 'Darby Weaver'; 'Arun Kumar Arumuganainar'; 'Cisco
> certification'; 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: RE: What is CCDE?
>
> I failed the beta written by 2 marks. After question 200 I gave up and
> became disinterested (maybe that's why I scored as well lol). Anyway I sat
> the real deal yesterday and boy was that a bloody tough exam. Pass mark 70
> and I got 70. lucky? Damn right I had written it off as a fail. I have
> now sat about 8 ccie written exams - this was by far the hardest (or maybe
> its just that im getting older).
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Scott Morris
> > Sent: 16 February 2008 05:49
> > To: 'Darby Weaver'; 'Arun Kumar Arumuganainar'; 'Cisco certification';
> > 'Cisco certification'
> > Subject: RE: What is CCDE?
> >
> > Progress? Evolution? Challenges?
> >
> > Is the question any different for having more than one CCIE versus adding
> > your CCDE to the mix? Keep in mind that there's no "must have CCIE"
> > prerequisite for participating in the CCDE track. So this could simply be
> > seen as the logical extension of the CCDA/CCDP tracks. The CCIE Design
> > was
> > an interesting, but not-fully-baked idea (genetic fluke that occurs before
> > full onset evolution?). ;)
> >
> > ROI? If you are working for a company, not likely unless you meet some
> > requirement. If you are independent, then it's called marketing!
> >
> > Otherwise, it's just called sadistic.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Darby Weaver
> > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 11:03 PM
> > To: Arun Kumar Arumuganainar; 'Cisco certification'; 'Cisco certification'
> > Subject: Re: What is CCDE?
> >
> > I'd suppose most everyone is asking the same question about the CCDE. I
> > still remember the last time the CCIE-Design cert was offered and never
> > made
> > it as an offering to the people who passed that written exam.
> >
> >
> >
> > The question I'd ask myself if I had already achieved one or even more
> > CCIE's is this:
> >
> > Am I seeing the Return on Investment?
> >
> > If not, another certification may not be the answer.
> >
> > If yes, then carry on.
> >
> >
> > For myself, I think certs help, if nothing else they make me more
> > confident
> > at my job.
> >
> > However, I've seen a lot of people get the certs and get their feelings
> > hurt
> > too.
> >
> > Employers do not throw money at you just cause you got some more letters
> > behind your name.
> >
> > Usually they have problems and they like to hire people who understand the
> > problems and can be expected to create solutions to those problems.
> >
> > That's the bargain we are in the game for.
> >
> > Maybe the first CCDE's might see some increased value, but I always wonder
> > in the back of my mind why out of the first CCIE's to make the 10 Year
> > mark
> > only a few are still active CCIE's in the first place.
> >
> > Yes - there will be lots of answers to this one, but I still wonder.
> >
> >
> >
> > Congrats on having earned one or more CCIE's.
> >
> >
> > --- Arun Kumar Arumuganainar <aarumuga@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Any idea what it looks like ???
> > >
> > > I wanted to know more information about the lab on the cisco web site
> > > . May some one here can throw some light.
> > >
> > > Having finished couple of CCIEs I am wondering if it is worth looking
> > > at it? I am assuming (if it involves lab) it will involve significant
> > > amount of prep time and hence wanted to think twice before making a
> > > decision.
> > >
> > > Thanks and Regards
> > > arun
> > >
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