From: CCIE RS (cciers@hotmail.co.uk)
Date: Fri Feb 15 2008 - 09:21:45 ARST
Dane,You are right.
Their EGO wont permit that as it affects their business, ccie voice is now a
big market. They agree that they are imprefect and yet when reviews that
describe their imprfectness pops up, they say its all false, they are
hippocrates.
I know now that I have posted these messages, I will be removed from the list,
now I dont care. Biz/money is more valuable than the truth in todays world.
I just expressed my original thoughts about IPEXPERT. I dont condition my
thoughts like how others are in this list, specifically who hammered
Jaitender. They cannot simply accept the truth. I and Jaitender have dared to
come out with our unconditioned expericences.
> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:36:46 -0500> From: dane.newman@gmail.com> To:
swm@emanon.com> Subject: Re: Finally Pass Voice Lab on first attempt> CC:
jatinder.p.singh@bt.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com> > Seriously people. Everyone
has a right to there own views. I can> understand why the IPEXPERT folks are
jumping in here (they have to defend> there business and rightfully so from
what I seen its the Marjory of people> love them) but why jump down this guys
throat? He has a right to think and> voice what he thinks. When selling a
product you will never have 100%> success rate with everyone. Why is it not ok
that someone was unhappy with> there purchase even if the majority of people
where?> > Dane> > > On 2/13/08, Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:> >> >
Congratulations on passing... Congratulations on getting the assistance> >
that you felt you needed there.> >> > But I cannot understand why you feel the
need to dredge up the same false> > allegations that you have brought up on
numerous boards (including this> > one)> > before. On other boards, I have sat
back twiddling my fingers and just> > thinking of all the things I probably
shouldn't say. But it goes on and> > on> > and on. You've posted to this board
before. You've gotten responses on> > this board before. And then you
disappear.> >> > Other than pointing out the obvious inaccuracies regarding
your "lack of> > support" problems (check the archives for those who are bored
and/or> > interested), and not mentioning the multiple personal phone calls
you got> > from instructors including one who gave you a phone number while he
was at> > his mother's house so you had a local call in the UK...> >> > But
now we have something new here. The idea that anyone deliberately> > withheld
information in order to prolong your studying? Cute. Definitely> > not
accurate, but cute!> >> > I'll give you credit, because in the past you
haven't responded to any> > offers to figure out what your perceived errors or
support problems were.> > you simply post a message and run and hide. Or
perhaps ran to study. But> > now you're being inventive. I will give you
credit for that, at least you> > have made me laugh this morning.> >> > On the
good note of things, as you go forward in your career I suppose we> > will at
least be able to honestly say "It isn't IPexpert's fault". :)> >> > But I
really wish you wouldn't bother spouting lies. It simply belittles> > your
accomplishment here.> >> > Congratulations on passing.> >> >> > Scott Morris,
CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,> > JNCIE-M> > #153,
JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.> > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER> > VP - Technical Training -
IPexpert, Inc.> > IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor> >> > A Cisco Learning
Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!> >> > smorris@ipexpert.com> >> >> >> >
Telephone: +1.810.326.1444> > Fax: +1.810.454.0130> > http://www.ipexpert.com>
>> >> >> >> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
[mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of> > jatinder.p.singh@bt.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 7:18 AM> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com> >
Subject: Finally Pass Voice Lab on first attempt> >> > Dear All,> >> >
Yesterday, I passed my ccie voice lab at brussels on my first attempt.> >
Firstly I would like to thank all who helped me towards achieving this> >
goal.> > Special thanks to Tarun pahuja, and the CCBootcamp team (Brad) who
gave me> > personal support. Even though I did not buy any of their products
they> > gave> > their personal contact details and helped me when I needed
much help.> >> > I started this journey in early 2007, I cleared the written
after reading> > all the recommended cisco press books. Then my company
supported me in> > buying all the voice lab equipment which I setup in my
office.> > They also approved for me to go on a bootcamp, and I choose to go
to the> > IPexpert for 12 days.> >> > I bought all IPexpert products including
COD and spent more then $10,000.> > However I found their bootcamp
demoralizing and disappointing . I was> > discouraged and told that no one
could pass the lab in the first attempt.> > I felt they were hiding things
from me so as to prolong my studies so as> > to> > keep me lingering on..
Their support was terrible, their workbook had> > errors, little explanations
and I found myself spending hours being> > frustrated when things would not
work due to ommisions or things not> > explained properly. As a customer I
expect a teaching product to be> > accurate and explain things so as to
reinforce my technical> > abilities, but> > soon I discovered that their
strategy was to hide things, to make me it> > difficult instead and to
mentally discourage me so that I was guaranteed> > to> > fail on first
attempt.> >> > However I kept positive and determined to pass this exam and
made a> > challenge to pass it on my first attempt. I spent the next two
months off> > work and studying 15-18 hours per day and working on my
weaknesses.> > I consulted the cisco press books several times until I was
comfortable> > with> > every technology and spent hours on-hands practising on
all the> > technologies.> >> > From my experience the lab was not as hard as I
thought it would be. I got> > back from Brussels today and saw the good news..
now its time for a break> > and some celebration.> >> > Thanks to you
all.....> >> > J P Singh> >> > CCIE (R & S , Voice)> >> >
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