From: Cielieska Nathan (ncielieska@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Feb 14 2008 - 13:42:47 ARST
Something to keep in mind regarding study materials.
The Brians, Narbik, Scott and others are doing us a service that is
difficult to achieve. Think about it.. they need to teach you
"technologies" the best way they know how and as thorough they can.
The thing that you don't realize is that there is an NDA involved
that cannot be breached. There is a constant tightrope these guys
walk to make sure they don't cross the line on what is on the test.
It is really not that hard to put 2 and 2 together.
Let's take Scott Morris for example. I'm sure he could release a
relatively concise product to which you had very similar layout and
content to the CCIE exam. But it would soon be flamed on this forum
and Scott would quickly have legal action taken against him (or
whoever owns IPExpert) from Cisco regarding the new cheatsheet.
The CCIE that everyone worked so hard to obtain would become the next
laughing stock certification. It is very important with anyone with a
number to protect the ideals.
With that said to bash a study product not containing erroneous
information or trying to cheat is idiocy, because the nature of the
study guides/workbooks aren't there to make you pass the test.. they
are there to "beat you up" or "make you eat some humble pie" and
motivate you to understand the technologies involved.
Regards,
Nate
On Feb 14, 2008, at 2:24 AM, CCIE RS wrote:
> has Matt Brooks passed his CCIE written to be in this forum? does
> he have a
> Lab date for the main lab exam?
> is he not a sales type of guy from IPEXPERT? Can this forum allow
> sales
> people? If so I hope the team from Internetworkexpert joins as they
> are
> excellent in what they do. (Kady, Mike, Misty..etc)
> SORRY IF I AM WRONG.
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> Regards
> mark
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>> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:00:04 -0500> From: mbrooks@ipexpert.com>
>> To:
> ccielab@groupstudy.com> Subject: Re: FW: Finally Pass Voice Lab on
> first
> attempt> CC: jatinder.p.singh@bt.com> > JP,> > First, I would like to
> congratulate you on your success. Even in light of> your review of
> IPexpert, I
> believe that you gained some benefit from our> products, courses
> and support.
> For that, I am pleased to have been a part of> your success.> > It
> is good to
> see that Brad and his team were able to help you as well. I am>
> pleased to say
> that we have developed a great relationship with the> CCbootcamp
> staff. Brad
> runs a fine operation and is generous with his time> and desire to
> help CCIE
> candidates.> > I am, however, disappointed that your review did not
> acknowledge the many> phone calls and emails that our team engaged
> with you,
> which certainly went> well outside our "normal" level of support. I
> suppose it
> is true in business> that "you can't please all the people all the
> time," but
> we will continue> trying to assist other CCIE Voice candidates...> >
> ----------------> On February 8th 2008 I passed my CCIE Voice Lab
> in RTP. I
> took the IPexpert> 10 day boot camp in Richardson TX, and I can't
> express
> enough how much this> helped me to pass. I have been working with
> IPT for over
> 6 years and have> done Call Manager installs all the way back to
> the version
> 3.0, but still> picked up a wealth of new knowledge at this boot
> camp that if
> I hadn't had I> would not have passed.> > Vik's help was amazing and I
> couldn't come up with any questions to stump> him. If I had a
> question on any
> of the technology he always had an answer> for me. IPexpert's Voice
> boot camp
> and practice materials are second to> none. Had I not gone to the
> boot camp I
> don't feel like I would have passed> the lab. I would also like to
> say the
> proctor lab equipment is great, and I> used it exclusively to study
> for the
> lab at home since I could not afford to> buy my own lab.> >
> Sincerely,> >
> Allen Hartman> CCIE #11381 (Voice, R&S)> > ----------------> > I
> passed on
> January 29, 2008. One of my friend recommended IPexpert's CCIE>
> Bootcamp as a
> good way to prepare for the lab. The bootcamp was really> helpful
> in terms of
> measuring your own readiness to take the test. I would> definitely
> recommend
> to sign-up for this bootcamp BEFORE you even sign up> for the real lab
> attempt. You may find out that you are not ready or there> are many
> other/better strategies you could use to give you a better chance>
> at passing
> the lab.> > Mark Snow was very helpful/knowledgeable and provided
> useful
> insights about> things to look out for during the test. I also
> ordered the
> workbook from> IPexpert which I used to do time trials for the real
> test.> > I
> guess I am really proud that I was able to pass this test more than
> 10> years
> after I passed my first R&S CCIE. Big thumbs up for IPexpert!> >
> Andras Arato>
> CCIE #3297 (Voice, R&S)> > ----------------> > I would like to
> express my
> gratitude for the training that I received from> IPexpert in
> preparing for my
> Voice CCIE lab. I used the Voice Proctor Guide> to gain a solid
> foundation of
> the possible testable topics in the Voice CCIE> lab, and then
> partook of the 5
> day lab experience boot camp taught by Vik> Malhi roughly one month
> before I
> sat for the exam. I was thoroughly> impressed with Vik's knowledge,
> and a few
> times during the course my lab> partner and I would bet on how
> quickly Vik
> would know the answers to our> questions before we finished the
> questioning
> sentence.> > In addition, during the month after my bootcamp and
> before my lab
> practical,> I posed many questions to the online forum that Mark
> Snow would
> respond too.> Mark's explanations were clear and concise and he
> went above and
> beyond in> many situations to make sure I understood the material.
> I am happy
> to report> that on January 22nd of 2008, I passed the Voice lab and
> feel
> strongly that> IPexpert was a contributing factor.> > However, I
> would also
> like to make the point that IPexpert does not train> people to pass
> the CCIE
> Lab exam. To the contrary, IPexpert's training> regiment ensures
> that each
> individual actually understands the technology> and truly becomes a
> better
> engineer.> > In much appreciation,> > Mike Schultz> CCIE (R&S,
> Voice) #7935> >
> ----------------> IPexpert was recommended to me by a local Cisco
> SE, who
> recently took a boot> camp, and by a coworker who used the lab
> guide to pass
> his Voice lab last> year. I worked through several of the exercises
> in the
> workbook before> taking the boot camp.> > The boot camp really
> helped me
> understand several critical areas much better> and helped me develop a
> strategy for the lab. After the boot camp I worked> through all of
> the labs in
> the workbook and the new e-books using the> Proctor Labs online
> racks. Working
> through all of the labs helped me learn> even more and increased my
> speed.> >
> After completing the workbook and the e-books I felt ready for the
> lab and>
> was not nervous on test day. Because of all the hard work and
> preparation I>
> was able to pass the Voice lab on my first attempt. This was not
> easy and>
> required many hours of study. You cannot just go to a boot camp and
> expect> to
> pass, but with hard work and IPexpert products you can pass the
> lab.> > The
> most important part of the whole experience of studying for and
> passing> the
> voice lab was that I greatly expanded my voice knowledge, which
> will> help me
> provide better service to my customers.> > Hal White, CCIE (R&S,
> Voice)
> #12507> > ----------------> > Since my first CCIE Routing &
> Switching achieved
> in 2003, I have been used> IPexpert workbook. I practiced the
> complete whole
> book including the> break-down practice and one-day mock labs. It
> helped me a
> lot to pass the> R&S lab in 2 attempts. The workbook covered much
> wider scope
> than the real> lab, and it was based on the 9-routers case
> scenarios (the real
> lab has only> 6 routers). Which helped me a lot to keep the
> confidence till
> the end to> complete the R&S CCIE lab within 4 hours. Yes, 4 hours
> only. So I
> could have> another 4 hours to fully test the lab one by one.> >
> Before I
> started my CCIE Voice study, I researched on which workbook in the>
> market is
> the best that could fit me to practice the hands-on experience,>
> since I
> didn't have much hands-on, regardless I was a CCVP. I am so far
> very> happy
> with the decision to choose the IPExpert workbook. It covered a lot
> of> major
> topics for the section practice on CallManager, Unity, IPCC, Fax,
> GW,> GK and
> so forth. It took me 3 attempts to pass Voice CCIE in exact one
> year.> The
> workbook, again, helped me prepared more stuff than the real lab
> asked> for.
> So I could feel confidence everytime sit inside the real lab. The
> first> two
> attempts were not really bad, and I felt I was closer and closer to
> the> final
> success. And eventually I nailed it down on the 3rd attempt. It
> was> again, in
> the first 4.5 hours I completed the whole lab, and spent the rest>
> of time for
> testing and troubleshooting.> > IPExpert had the first-class of
> CCIE Voice
> rack rental. I tried a couple> sessions before the final exam
> during the
> Christmas and New Year holiday> season. Their after-hour support was
> phenomenal. It was instant and> efficient. I was very impressive
> with the
> effort of the support team, since> they were just like standing
> beside you and
> reply to you through the email> and fix the issue very quickly.
> Also, IPexpert
> has their own mailing list,> in addition to their online CCIE
> forum, that I
> could post my questions and> get the answer instantly from both
> instructors
> and other CCIE candidates> around the world.> > I would certainly
> recommend
> IPexpert products to those future CCIEs. Welcome> to the club.> >
> Thank you
> again IPexpert.> > Weihui Ted Meng, CCIE #12621> > ----------------> >
> http://www.ipexpert.com/index.cfm/Testimonials> --> Matt Brooks> Vice
> President - IPexpert, Inc.> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 x101> Mailto:
> mbrooks@ipexpert.com> > > > > Subject: Finally Pass Voice Lab on first
> attempt> > > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:17:33 +0000> > > From:
> jatinder.p.singh@bt.com> > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com> > >> > >
> Dear All,> >
>>>>> Yesterday, I passed my ccie voice lab at brussels on my first
>>>>> attempt.>
>>> Firstly I would like to thank all who helped me towards achieving
>>> this> >
>> goal. Special thanks to Tarun pahuja, and the CCBootcamp team
>> (Brad) who> >
>> gave me personal support. Even though I did not buy any of their> > >
> products they gave their personal contact details and helped me
> when I> > >
> needed much help.> > >> > > I started this journey in early 2007, I
> cleared
> the written after> > > reading all the recommended cisco press
> books. Then my
> company supported> > > me in buying all the voice lab equipment
> which I setup
> in my office.> > > They also approved for me to go on a bootcamp,
> and I choose
> to go to the> > > IPexpert for 12 days.> > >> > > I bought all
> IPexpert
> products including COD and spent more then> > > $10,000. However I
> found their
> bootcamp demoralizing and disappointing> > > . I was discouraged
> and told that
> no one could pass the lab in the> > > first attempt. I felt they
> were hiding
> things from me so as to prolong> > > my studies so as to keep me
> lingering
> on.. Their support was terrible,> > > their workbook had errors,
> little
> explanations and I found myself> > > spending hours being
> frustrated when
> things would not work due to> > > ommisions or things not explained
> properly.
> As a customer I expect a> > > teaching product to be accurate and
> explain
> things so as to reinforce> > > my technical abilities, but soon I
> discovered
> that their strategy was> > > to hide things, to make me it
> difficult instead
> and to mentally> > > discourage me so that I was guaranteed to fail
> on first
> attempt.> > >> > > However I kept positive and determined to pass
> this exam
> and made a> > > challenge to pass it on my first attempt. I spent
> the next two
> months> > > off work and studying 15-18 hours per day and working
> on my
> weaknesses.> > > I consulted the cisco press books several times
> until I was
> comfortable> > > with every technology and spent hours on-hands
> practising on
> all the> > > technologies.> > >> > > From my experience the lab was
> not as
> hard as I thought it would be. I> > > got back from Brussels today
> and saw the
> good news.. now its time for a> > > break and some celebration.> >
> >> > >
> Thanks to you all.....> > >> > > J P Singh> > >> > > CCIE (R & S ,
> Voice)> >
>>>>>
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