From: Scott Morris (swm@emanon.com)
Date: Sat Feb 02 2008 - 13:08:23 ARST
You definitely are unique. :)
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Joseph Brunner
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 4:04 PM
To: 'Dane Newman'; 'Darby Weaver'
Cc: 'Gary Duncanson'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: So which is there more of a market demand for?
Good luck. I'm awesome, thorough and memorable. I would say unique. I have
had girlfriends that wanted to "write my ex a thank you letter". I explained
it was me who taught her about her body.
Do you think my clients would switch?
LOL
_____
From: Dane Newman [mailto:dane.newman@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 7:25 AM
To: Darby Weaver
Cc: Gary Duncanson; Joseph Brunner; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: So which is there more of a market demand for?
Well I am from new york also so I am going after Josephs client list also!
On Jan 27, 2008 11:11 PM, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
Agreed.
I keep hearing this $150k or $150.00 per hour...
In my neck of the woods, services are billed and paid by Cisco Partners that
<ACTUALLY> get the business at rates of about $125.00 - $150.00 per hour.
This includes services for Voice, Security, and "basic" RS.
And typically with that goes the hardware sales as well.
Maybe in some cases people are willing to pay more...
But you know us guys in the South travel as well and we do travel to
Manhattan as well...
So supply and demand reigns supreme in most places.
These days it is not unusual for clients (end-users) to hire contractors
from around the country to perform the work needed. Granted expenses come
into play but that is the way of the world, since not many companies can say
all of their highly skills or qualified people live in merely one city.
So... I'm looking for Joe's client list.
--- Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>
wrote:
> That's an interesting observation on voice work and wages too. Since
> when is 100K paltry? That's the ballpark for many CCIE's in the states
> these days isn't it?
>
> Gary
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> To: "'Dane Newman'" <dane.newman@gmail.com>; "'Cisco certification'"
> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 7:56 AM
> Subject: RE: So which is there more of a market demand for?
>
>
> > I'm in your boat Dane. I also recently passed the
> r&s lab, and want to get
> > another one done asap.
> >
> > I would only offer this; I think the voice track
> is HEAVILY user facing,
> > especially if you are a consultant. A phone on
> someone's desk is a very
> > very
> > personal, heavily used tool at most companies. You
> will spend a lot of
> > time
> > helping users reset their voice mail passwords,
> modifying soft keys, etc.
> > forget any special documentation you could create
> to help them, especially
> > big shots, they will want personal "code blue"
> service. I really don't
> > want
> > to get my voice ccie and spend 10 years walking
> from desk to desk, the
> > Monday after a voip deployment and helping people
> get accustomed to their
> > new phones, video phones, and soft phones (I would
> rather work at kfc).
> >
> > That being said, I would say if you are just
> planning to work as a wage
> > slave (read IRS form 1040) at a big company or
> Cisco parter that designs,
> > deploys voice solutions, its possible there will
> be people on your team
> > more
> > junior to you to help do the user facing stuff.
> But be warned, I have met
> > several voice ccie's who had the voice end of the
> job, etc. where I have
> > worked. They definitely faced a lot of users. So I
> call this the "only
> > user
> > facing ccie". Now with security it's all done
> stealth in the back room,
> > and
> > no one needs to be walked through setting their
> "ASA FW PASSWORD", etc.
> >
> > I'm doing both, because I want 2 more stars on my
> uniform, but that's me.
> > As far as financial outlook, that impossible for
> anyone to say. You can
> > have
> > neither and can make more than two people having
> one each, or you can make
> > only a paltry $100k (or less) having both. Money
> is in the hand of the
> > entrepreneur, all else get money from his hands,
> when he sees fit.
> >
> > -Joe
> > #19366
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Dane
> > Newman
> > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 9:45 PM
> > To: Cisco certification
> > Subject: So which is there more of a market demand
> for?
> >
> > So in your view which is in demand more in the job
> market? CCIE voice or
> > CCIE Security?
> >
> > I am sure I am going to try my hand at both
> someday but for the time being
> > Im trying to figure out which one will be the best
> to start out with?
> >
> > Dane
> >
> >
>
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