From: keith tokash (ktokash@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Feb 01 2008 - 19:04:49 ARST
Tried to stay out of this one, but I have to pop in and say that if you're
getting your CCIE for the money, you're wasting a lot of energy. Not that it
won't pay off, but you can make a lot of money by going into management or
sales, and it will be much easier (more girls, cocktails, blah blah). Most
people here seem to be doing it "because it's there!" The money is just how
you justify it to yourself and others. I already make more than I need
(*after* stacking 401k), this level of dedication is all about being a brutal
cli badass.
BTW, shameless plug here - any CCIE Security people (or hardcores without the
cert) want to work in Beverly Hills, unicast me a resume. I'm not a
recruiter, we're just swamped and the pace here meant phoning in security for
the last two years. We have a lot of interesting projects.
With a few exceptions, secrecy is deeply incompatible with democracy and with
science.
--Carl Sagan
> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 05:00:27 -0800
> From: darbyweaver@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: (no subject)
> To: gary.duncanson@googlemail.com; EdmondsSG@aol.com
> CC: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>
> For the majority of people who are career-changers and
> are working in lower paid IT roles like help desk
> analysts even going from the $20-30-40k range to the
> $60-80k range is one hell of a bump for $10-30k
> investment.
>
> And today so many tools like Dynamips/Dynagen, etc.
> are available, it stands to reason that until their
> are over 500,000 CCIE's and the CCIE salary is
> averaging less than say $50,000.00 that it will be a
> great move for quite some time to come for the
> majority of IT workers.
>
>
> What does this mean for most Network Engineers?
>
> It means we have to get better and more diverse to
> stay marketable and competitive.
>
>
> For instance this week's project was a game of twister
> using a couple of stacks of 3750's, OSPF with multiple
> instances and the very creative usage of Area 0 and
> another area to manipulate and summarize routes and
> influence traffic, with a usage of VRFs, with
> redundant ASA's with multiple DMZ's, and of course
> sprinkling the whole entree with a litte IPSec VPN
> users or site-to-site VPNs...
>
>
> Now a straight CCIE RS may not have all of the tools
> to make this configuration work and I'm willing to bet
> that most would have a time deciphering what is
> happening and being able to produce the relevant show
> commands to prove what is happening.
>
> But the engineer of tomorrow will have all of these
> skillsets and more: RS, Security, SP and maybe some
> elements of QoS.
>
> BTW - Notice no QoS is involved with this one just
> yet.
>
> But policy maps were explored and discarded in lieu of
> a more eloquent solution that is easier on the cpu as
> well.
>
>
> This little prokect is inherently secure, of course,
> offering most if not all of the recommended security
> features offered by Cisco's Configuration Interpreter
> Tool and has the standard secure 2-factor
> authentication using Radius against a domain-based
> system in addition to secure protocols for backup,
> administration, and management. Yep even using
> certificates.
>
> So...
>
> The top level positions that require expert-level
> deign and archticture will still require this level of
> skill.
>
> Many may get the CCIE, attrition will strike some as
> they may not have the skill or experience or will to
> continue after the CCIE is achieved (some get the cert
> to become managers or unwittingly get promoted per the
> Peter Principle), and thus may not last long in "the
> real world". Others may not like the undue duress and
> demands placed on one's family/quality time that seems
> to be the nature of the job overall. I mean not
> everyone likes being on call 24/7/365 and working
> 60-80 weeks regularly or 100+ hour weeks to meet
> deadlines, especially if only paid on the basis of 40
> hours per week.
>
> See what I mean?
>
> So on one side the CCIE becomes a great enabler. On
> the other side great skill and expertise will still be
> required and aptly rewarded.
>
> It's still kinda funny to see adds where a CCIE is
> "REQUIRED" but must also be availble to provide
> desktop PC client-side support.
>
> Yep... there will be a 25-45k job available for those
> guys... who just paid for the paper too.
>
> Have no fear.
>
>
>
> And sometimes an employer may not be positioned to
> employ a person who is truly a CCIE or has the skill
> of a CCIE, in which case, it would not matter if you
> had all 5 CCIE's the job only pays $60-70k and that is
> what it is.
>
> This may be the case for the isp, bank, or other
> types. In which case, one has a decision to make.
> Stay and be over-qualified and under-paid, or go forth
> and step off of the ledge.
>
> I suspect there is a place for all types. Since just
> earning a CCIE is a task by itself and considered of
> some value by someone out there.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > You can still make a very good living contracting as
> > an experienced pro with
> > an IE. 800 + dollars a day happens.
> >
> > Regs
> > Gary
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <EdmondsSG@aol.com>
> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:02 PM
> > Subject: (no subject)
> >
> >
> > > I'm not sure that having IE means $$$ in the
> > market place anymore - maybe
> > > for people running bootcamps etc and the like -
> > but not in my world....
> > >
> > > I would think theres more money to be made in
> > advising others how to pass
> > > than in say a bank isp etc ..
> > >
> > >
> >
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