From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Fri Feb 01 2008 - 19:31:50 ARST
Exactly.
--- keith tokash <ktokash@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Tried to stay out of this one, but I have to pop in
> and say that if you're getting your CCIE for the
> money, you're wasting a lot of energy. Not that it
> won't pay off, but you can make a lot of money by
> going into management or sales, and it will be much
> easier (more girls, cocktails, blah blah). Most
> people here seem to be doing it "because it's
> there!" The money is just how you justify it to
> yourself and others. I already make more than I
> need (*after* stacking 401k), this level of
> dedication is all about being a brutal cli badass.
>
> BTW, shameless plug here - any CCIE Security people
> (or hardcores without the cert) want to work in
> Beverly Hills, unicast me a resume. I'm not a
> recruiter, we're just swamped and the pace here
> meant phoning in security for the last two years.
> We have a lot of interesting projects.
>
> With a few exceptions, secrecy is deeply
> incompatible with democracy and with science.
> --Carl Sagan
>
> > Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 05:00:27 -0800
> > From: darbyweaver@yahoo.com
> > Subject: Re: (no subject)
> > To: gary.duncanson@googlemail.com;
> EdmondsSG@aol.com
> > CC: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >
> > For the majority of people who are career-changers
> and
> > are working in lower paid IT roles like help desk
> > analysts even going from the $20-30-40k range to
> the
> > $60-80k range is one hell of a bump for $10-30k
> > investment.
> >
> > And today so many tools like Dynamips/Dynagen,
> etc.
> > are available, it stands to reason that until
> their
> > are over 500,000 CCIE's and the CCIE salary is
> > averaging less than say $50,000.00 that it will be
> a
> > great move for quite some time to come for the
> > majority of IT workers.
> >
> >
> > What does this mean for most Network Engineers?
> >
> > It means we have to get better and more diverse to
> > stay marketable and competitive.
> >
> >
> > For instance this week's project was a game of
> twister
> > using a couple of stacks of 3750's, OSPF with
> multiple
> > instances and the very creative usage of Area 0
> and
> > another area to manipulate and summarize routes
> and
> > influence traffic, with a usage of VRFs, with
> > redundant ASA's with multiple DMZ's, and of course
> > sprinkling the whole entree with a litte IPSec VPN
> > users or site-to-site VPNs...
> >
> >
> > Now a straight CCIE RS may not have all of the
> tools
> > to make this configuration work and I'm willing to
> bet
> > that most would have a time deciphering what is
> > happening and being able to produce the relevant
> show
> > commands to prove what is happening.
> >
> > But the engineer of tomorrow will have all of
> these
> > skillsets and more: RS, Security, SP and maybe
> some
> > elements of QoS.
> >
> > BTW - Notice no QoS is involved with this one just
> > yet.
> >
> > But policy maps were explored and discarded in
> lieu of
> > a more eloquent solution that is easier on the cpu
> as
> > well.
> >
> >
> > This little prokect is inherently secure, of
> course,
> > offering most if not all of the recommended
> security
> > features offered by Cisco's Configuration
> Interpreter
> > Tool and has the standard secure 2-factor
> > authentication using Radius against a domain-based
> > system in addition to secure protocols for backup,
> > administration, and management. Yep even using
> > certificates.
> >
> > So...
> >
> > The top level positions that require expert-level
> > deign and archticture will still require this
> level of
> > skill.
> >
> > Many may get the CCIE, attrition will strike some
> as
> > they may not have the skill or experience or will
> to
> > continue after the CCIE is achieved (some get the
> cert
> > to become managers or unwittingly get promoted per
> the
> > Peter Principle), and thus may not last long in
> "the
> > real world". Others may not like the undue duress
> and
> > demands placed on one's family/quality time that
> seems
> > to be the nature of the job overall. I mean not
> > everyone likes being on call 24/7/365 and working
> > 60-80 weeks regularly or 100+ hour weeks to meet
> > deadlines, especially if only paid on the basis of
> 40
> > hours per week.
> >
> > See what I mean?
> >
> > So on one side the CCIE becomes a great enabler.
> On
> > the other side great skill and expertise will
> still be
> > required and aptly rewarded.
> >
> > It's still kinda funny to see adds where a CCIE is
> > "REQUIRED" but must also be availble to provide
> > desktop PC client-side support.
> >
> > Yep... there will be a 25-45k job available for
> those
> > guys... who just paid for the paper too.
> >
> > Have no fear.
> >
> >
> >
> > And sometimes an employer may not be positioned to
> > employ a person who is truly a CCIE or has the
> skill
> > of a CCIE, in which case, it would not matter if
> you
> > had all 5 CCIE's the job only pays $60-70k and
> that is
> > what it is.
> >
> > This may be the case for the isp, bank, or other
> > types. In which case, one has a decision to
> make.
> > Stay and be over-qualified and under-paid, or go
> forth
> > and step off of the ledge.
> >
> > I suspect there is a place for all types. Since
> just
> > earning a CCIE is a task by itself and considered
> of
> > some value by someone out there.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > You can still make a very good living
> contracting as
> > > an experienced pro with
> > > an IE. 800 + dollars a day happens.
> > >
> > > Regs
> > > Gary
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <EdmondsSG@aol.com>
> > > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:02 PM
> > > Subject: (no subject)
> > >
> > >
> > > > I'm not sure that having IE means $$$ in the
> > > market place anymore - maybe
> > > > for people running bootcamps etc and the like
> -
> > > but not in my world....
> > > >
> > > > I would think theres more money to be made in
> > > advising others how to pass
> > > > than in say a bank isp etc ..
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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