From: Tony Varriale (tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com)
Date: Wed Jan 30 2008 - 14:54:38 ARST
Any chance we can stay on topic here? Look at the start if you have any
questions regarding this.
Thanks.
Tony
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Duncanson
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 5:48 AM
To: Darby Weaver
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: r/s material
I know americans like to say 'bottom line' a lot as well as 'let me tell you
something'..
The 'bottom line' is if you cant do all the basics very well you are
knackered where you throw everything together. This can include getting OSPF
working over frame and understanding split horizon hassles with other IGPs.
Small labs work and hours pummeling away at them. Just a few routers and a
couple of switches provides fun for all the family. Solie is good. Duggan
still good for later on. Cisco Press books and CCO provide lots of small
scale situations to master in terms of how stuff works and getting it to
work.
As for bigger labs..understand what you are being asked to do, know a few
ways to do it, choose the *correct* way (ask proctor), do it..verify it
works doesn't break something else.
And be able to do all the above in a timely fashion. It takes lots of
understanding (books and worked examples on equipment, observation) and
practice.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
To: "Santi" <ccie@texas.net>; "'Tony Varriale'" <tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com>
Cc: "'Cisco certification'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 2:05 PM
Subject: RE: r/s material
> Exactly.
>
> One should learn technology by technology even and
> especially when trying and before trying multiprotocol
> labs.
>
> Let's face it, in every lab we face, the very first
> thing we must do is ensure that a given protocol works
> and works well and as expected to.
>
> If we jump right into multiprotocol labs, particularly
> those offered by our vendors, then we are kind of like
> jumping into World War Three without the benefit of
> attending marksmanship training first. Seriously
> since the bullets are flying in all directions and all
> at once.
>
> Mastering each topic is probably the single-most
> fastest and most efficient way to master the CCIE lab
> and yes... hindsight is 20/20 - even though, I've been
> saying this for a while and not living up to it as
> well in some cases.
>
> But looking over products like Soup To Nuts and
> Advanced Technology Labs and using such products with
> COD/VOD Training and all of this at the same time with
> select Cisco Press books and the DOC CD close at
> hand... is very valuable.
>
> If while doing it, one has a chance to turn on debug
> and then turn on a feature and watch the fireworks,
> then one learns a measure faster and knows "exactly"
> what happened.
>
> But then hey... where would we be without people
> asking questions who for some reason have not seemed
> to lab it in the first place.
>
>
> --- Santi <ccie@texas.net> wrote:
>
>> Good Material? There is Narbik Kocharians, at
>> http://www.net-workbooks.com/, and you can ping him
>> at narbikk@gmail.com ,
>> if you have any questions. Internetwork Experts is
>> also excellent. I don't
>> have first hand experience with IPExperts, but I
>> know several people that
>> believe that Scott Morris' material is very good.
>>
>> Personally, I work with Narbik's stuff most of the
>> time and IE, once in a
>> while. Narbik's material is broken down by
>> technology, with explanations.
>>
>> Santi
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
>> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Tony
>> Varriale
>> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 5:16 PM
>> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: r/s material
>>
>> Would anyone offer their opinion on r/s lab
>> workbooks? I know Brad and have
>> purchased some products in the past but would even
>> appreciate an opinion on
>> his newer stuff.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
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