From: Gary Duncanson (gary.duncanson@googlemail.com)
Date: Sun Jan 27 2008 - 08:16:43 ARST
That's an interesting observation on voice work and wages too. Since when
is 100K paltry? That's the ballpark for many CCIE's in the states these days
isn't it?
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
To: "'Dane Newman'" <dane.newman@gmail.com>; "'Cisco certification'"
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 7:56 AM
Subject: RE: So which is there more of a market demand for?
> I'm in your boat Dane. I also recently passed the r&s lab, and want to get
> another one done asap.
>
> I would only offer this; I think the voice track is HEAVILY user facing,
> especially if you are a consultant. A phone on someone's desk is a very
> very
> personal, heavily used tool at most companies. You will spend a lot of
> time
> helping users reset their voice mail passwords, modifying soft keys, etc.
> forget any special documentation you could create to help them, especially
> big shots, they will want personal "code blue" service. I really don't
> want
> to get my voice ccie and spend 10 years walking from desk to desk, the
> Monday after a voip deployment and helping people get accustomed to their
> new phones, video phones, and soft phones (I would rather work at kfc).
>
> That being said, I would say if you are just planning to work as a wage
> slave (read IRS form 1040) at a big company or Cisco parter that designs,
> deploys voice solutions, its possible there will be people on your team
> more
> junior to you to help do the user facing stuff. But be warned, I have met
> several voice ccie's who had the voice end of the job, etc. where I have
> worked. They definitely faced a lot of users. So I call this the "only
> user
> facing ccie". Now with security it's all done stealth in the back room,
> and
> no one needs to be walked through setting their "ASA FW PASSWORD", etc.
>
> I'm doing both, because I want 2 more stars on my uniform, but that's me.
> As far as financial outlook, that impossible for anyone to say. You can
> have
> neither and can make more than two people having one each, or you can make
> only a paltry $100k (or less) having both. Money is in the hand of the
> entrepreneur, all else get money from his hands, when he sees fit.
>
> -Joe
> #19366
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Dane
> Newman
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 9:45 PM
> To: Cisco certification
> Subject: So which is there more of a market demand for?
>
> So in your view which is in demand more in the job market? CCIE voice or
> CCIE Security?
>
> I am sure I am going to try my hand at both someday but for the time being
> Im trying to figure out which one will be the best to start out with?
>
> Dane
>
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