From: Brant I. Stevens (branto@branto.com)
Date: Wed Jan 23 2008 - 13:46:53 ARST
I have a friend who took it yesterday afternoon and failed... I don't think
it's going to be an easy test; written, or lab.
Scott offers very good advice... Let's just wait and see what develops
instead of getting up-in-arms about what may or may not come to pass.
-Brant
On 1/23/08 10:09 AM, "Scott Morris" <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
> That's always a possibility, but I'd think of it more as an expanded set of
> requirements. If the requirement before was to have four experts who could
> implement/troubleshoot networks, why would it make sense to replace them
> with someone who can do design (see earlier point about designer !=
> implementer necessarily). I would think this may become an EXTRA
> requirement. 4 CCIE's + a CCDE.
>
> It's all early anyway, so it's easier not to get all up in arms about
> something until we know we're getting screwed somehow! :) (Which I don't
> think will be happening anyway!)
>
> Scott
>
> _____
>
> From: Dane Newman [mailto:dane.newman@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:02 AM
> To: smorris@ipexpert.com
> Cc: Brant I. Stevens; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCDE Goes Live
>
>
> Scott,
>
> I agree with you about your point of they are different skill sets and both
> hold value.
>
> Why I feel it might devalue the CCIE a bit is because part of the value of
> the CCIE is the partner requirements. If the CCDE is able to full fill the
> 4 CCIE requirements then it might mean less demand to employ CCIE's full
> time.
>
> Dane
>
>
> On Jan 23, 2008 9:49 AM, Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
>
>
> What's the potential for devalue? CCIE is an implementation or "doing"
> exam. CCDE is a design exam.
>
> Now, if an employer WANTS to have someone with a CCIE + CCDE, how is that a
> devalue? That is just multiple areas of expertise.
>
> Not everyone who can do implementation can design a large network.
> Likewise, not everyone who can design can actually configure the specifics.
>
> Think of it as different tracks, or complimentary certs. It certainly isn't
> a devaluation!
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Dane
>
> Newman
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:13 PM
> To: Brant I. Stevens
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCDE Goes Live
>
> So Is the CCDE going to devalue the CCIE at all? Will cisco require 4
> CCIE's/CCDE now?
>
> doing a design lab seems alittle less scary no?
>
> Dane
>
> On Jan 22, 2008 9:21 AM, Brant I. Stevens <branto@branto.com> wrote:
>
>> Just thought I'd share...
>>
>> http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/080122/0350542.html
>>
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